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we live in a reality of phantoms and

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monsters they exist Among Us and

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sometimes they win even the devil was an

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angel once the world has its own rules

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and these rules are not human

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some of us seek answers to the origin

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and existence of Cryptids and The

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and accepted boundaries Welcome to our

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nightmare I think you're going to like

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hey first good evening and welcome to

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fans of monsters radio where we talk

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about about a little bit about

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everything actually but uh but most

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encrypted Xanax Spain sightings and

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encounters and um

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tonight we're going to be talking about

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the Chicago Lake Michigan Mothman Wing

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humanoid phenomena

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uh but before we start uh

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so uh and tonight uh

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type them in caps

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she'll be she'll be marking the

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questions for us to answer

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so uh we'll go from there so tonight I

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Tobias Whalen joining me as well as

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Manuel navarrette

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and we're gonna start right off trying

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to catch up on what we we haven't talked

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about in the past six months we last

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time we were together on here

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was in November

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and we've had nine different reports

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since then

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so I do want to so I'll go ahead and put

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up here the first one

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oh yeah this is this and this was this

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was sent to Manuel this was the um

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the little village woman and her father

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who had left the grocery store over

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over on 32nd Street so man well why

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don't you tell us a bit about that

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yeah I mean that happened in the little

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village neighborhood and um if you are

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from there you you know it's a very

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Hispanic area it's the largest Hispanic

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area in the entire city um

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it's also known as la villita which

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Little Village

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the one thing is if the neighborhoods

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are the residential neighborhoods are

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like you'll go like two blocks of

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residential when

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on the corner you'll have like a little

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tiendita Bodega you know little grocery

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stores basically that dot the entire

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so this lady uh and her father who was

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like 81 years old were leaving the store

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they were had gone to go get a couple of

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um for the house and across the street

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there was a um a house that had a

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kind of a wrought iron fence that had uh

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the post the concrete post in between

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and on top of one of that was the uh

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this creature and as a wing humanoid but

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it wasn't as big as some of the other

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ones this one was she said maybe about

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um and it immediately just locked eyes

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um the one interesting thing that that I

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picked off right off the bat was right

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in front of where this thing was sitting

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illuminated with that street light but

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this thing seemed to be absorbing light

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it was you could still tell the outline

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um and she kept saying that it was um

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swishing it around kind of like she she

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likened it to her cat when her cat's

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you know her dad saw it and you know the

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and they really she was really worried

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about her dad her dad being as old as he

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was I mean he's not going to be able to

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um so they slowly made their way to the

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car and she says that when she

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chirped that's when this thing took off

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them the whole time they was across the

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street it just and the more they moved

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the more its tail just kept swishing

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um witnessing chirp this thing took off

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possibly could and this thing circled

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um she described it like about four foot

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tall she says it was it was small I kept

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asking her you know was this about seven

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foot tall and the normal parameters for

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at the airport you know seven foot tall

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maybe you know four to five feet she she

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um and its eyes were you know it's

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glowing red eyes but she says that the

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light it was in this thing kept just it

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was absorbing the light it was kept it

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in darkness it's still very defined but

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not reflecting any like

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um they went home and her mom they told

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her mom their mom was you know

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in the Hispanic culture is a creature

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that a witch that can change into a wind

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being an owl an eagle of any kind

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she did a blessing on them

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um running an egg over them for you know

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um which is evil eye which is all basic

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uh fair you know a lot of Hispanic

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families grow up in a in a huge mixture

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so and when she would not let them out

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of the house for the rest of the night

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when I talk to the dad you know he did

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not he adamantly told her I did not want

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to speak to him I do not want to you

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know invoke this thing back again

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um she spoke with me her English was

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um so yeah pretty interesting pretty

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pretty interesting story uh very close

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range sighting and again just another

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sighting happening in in and around the

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Hispanic area of little village yeah

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this is what gets me now that's that was

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a tenth sighting that we had in Little

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that we'll talk about

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uh tobiased the size have we had any of

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uh yeah right around that that our foot

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Mark in terms of reports um you know

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were on the the smaller side

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they're not uh it's certainly as common

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um binded of the reason and I wish I

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but leave the list

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uh scrub the thing as

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maybe the thing was hunting squirrel I

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you might remember that back than me

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because yeah I thought I think that was

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uh and and that was that wall you know

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a winged being that was

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just into the general

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uh qualities that we've okay with

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reports but uh in terms of size it was I

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mean it was very well you know we're

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working six inches tall or something

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uh it's certainly an outlier in in terms

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of data we're looking at just raw repo

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that is that is unusual

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that we had were at the airport and

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these were um these were from the

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firefighters you know I think we had

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um Manuel

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so why don't you just start from the

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beginning and tell us

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what was the Nexus of all that and what

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did you hear Beyond it

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well I mean the first sighting was the

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one that happened at the uh I believe it

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was station two that is right there by

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terminal uh terminal three

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they were coming the one firefighter was

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on in the middle of a shift

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um and he's like he says every time he's

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on shift he brings his laptop because

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he's he's in the middle of a series that

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he was watching so he would you know

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stream you know when they had time so he

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was setting up his stuff in the common

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area and

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he says that um

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the um he forgot his his charging cable

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so he ran out to his truck and he said

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he kept hearing like a chirping like a

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real distinct chirping mind you it's

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know so

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um he found it really strange and he

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kept getting the speeding like this was

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like he kept hearing it's like shuffling

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and like the feeling that he was being

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watched

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so where the firefighting where the fire

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station is across the street there's a

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big uh plant that's the HVAC plant uh

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for the entire airport

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um across the street there on top of the

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building was this

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um seven foot tall Wing being with red

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eyes looking down at him

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and it kept making this chirping

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clicking sound as it watched him

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um you know Evan took off and

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disappeared

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um what was very interesting is he ran

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inside and he was telling everybody that

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was there everybody that was in the

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common area and

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for the next he said to a surprise for

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the next two hours that's all they

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talked about some of these older

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firefighters they say yeah this thing's

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around he likes to scare the living hell

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out of people it's never really been

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known to be aggressive of any kind but

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it loves to scare The Living Daylights

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out of people

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um by appearing watching over them and

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so you know and this was about

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I want to say about 11 o'clock at night

284
00:12:43,009 --> 00:12:42,180
that just happened

285
00:12:46,610 --> 00:12:43,019
um

286
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the second one was the same station same

287
00:12:52,009 --> 00:12:49,500
uh same Firehouse I believe it they were

288
00:12:54,530 --> 00:12:52,019
is this one was around I want to say

289
00:12:57,230 --> 00:12:54,540
about midnight or so it was a late it

290
00:13:00,710 --> 00:12:57,240
was a late night but they were coming

291
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from fueling up the engines so to get to

292
00:13:05,210 --> 00:13:02,820
fuel up the engines they have to go to a

293
00:13:08,389 --> 00:13:05,220
separate part of the airport where the

294
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pumps are so when they leave much like

295
00:13:12,110 --> 00:13:10,139
you see here in Chicago when one of

296
00:13:13,550 --> 00:13:12,120
these all of them leave uh just in case

297
00:13:17,150 --> 00:13:13,560
there's a there's a call they're all

298
00:13:20,030 --> 00:13:17,160
right there so they were coming back to

299
00:13:22,190 --> 00:13:20,040
the station from fueling up and as they

300
00:13:23,750 --> 00:13:22,200
turned the corner to go toward the

301
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station

302
00:13:28,550 --> 00:13:26,100
um they saw the things it was on the

303
00:13:30,769 --> 00:13:28,560
ground looking at them

304
00:13:32,629 --> 00:13:30,779
um across the street in front of them

305
00:13:34,810 --> 00:13:32,639
again scared the vegetas out of

306
00:13:38,449 --> 00:13:34,820
everybody in the in the uh in the engine

307
00:13:38,990 --> 00:13:38,459
Evan just took off on them

308
00:13:40,790 --> 00:13:39,000
um

309
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you know

310
00:13:44,750 --> 00:13:43,139
everybody that talked about that one was

311
00:13:47,269 --> 00:13:44,760
same thing you know we've seen it around

312
00:13:50,150 --> 00:13:47,279
we've heard about it people call it the

313
00:13:52,910 --> 00:13:50,160
Batman you know of O'Hare you know the

314
00:13:54,889 --> 00:13:52,920
it's known as the Mothman the Phantom

315
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though a lot of the people the bargain

316
00:13:59,750 --> 00:13:57,660
channel is called the Batman of O'Hare

317
00:14:01,310 --> 00:13:59,760
um but it loves to do this one thing

318
00:14:02,629 --> 00:14:01,320
that's scared of living hell out of

319
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people

320
00:14:05,690 --> 00:14:03,480
um

321
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Evan the third one was I believe station

322
00:14:10,790 --> 00:14:08,100
three which is more located centrally

323
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inside the airport itself

324
00:14:16,370 --> 00:14:12,720
um and this was on Fourth of July

325
00:14:18,050 --> 00:14:16,380
weekend I believe no no this was New

326
00:14:19,850 --> 00:14:18,060
Year's I'm sorry they were watching

327
00:14:21,230 --> 00:14:19,860
fireworks

328
00:14:24,650 --> 00:14:21,240
um I'm sorry I don't know why I thought

329
00:14:26,030 --> 00:14:24,660
it was a job but um this was about

330
00:14:28,250 --> 00:14:26,040
um New Year's and they were watching the

331
00:14:32,150 --> 00:14:28,260
fireworks display and so they were all

332
00:14:32,889 --> 00:14:32,160
outside and this thing flew over them

333
00:14:35,930 --> 00:14:32,899
um

334
00:14:37,970 --> 00:14:35,940
entire house saw it

335
00:14:41,090 --> 00:14:37,980
um circled around them a couple of times

336
00:14:41,930 --> 00:14:41,100
and then just disappeared into the night

337
00:14:45,170 --> 00:14:41,940
um

338
00:14:47,509 --> 00:14:45,180
and you know they were all like yeah

339
00:14:49,129 --> 00:14:47,519
at first I was like asking you know was

340
00:14:50,569 --> 00:14:49,139
this surprise to anybody in shocks like

341
00:14:52,069 --> 00:14:50,579
some of the newer people were in shock

342
00:14:55,069 --> 00:14:52,079
but the

343
00:14:57,050 --> 00:14:55,079
for the most part the um the older crowd

344
00:14:58,610 --> 00:14:57,060
the older people you know they knew

345
00:15:00,350 --> 00:14:58,620
they've heard it they've seen it they

346
00:15:01,970 --> 00:15:00,360
they've dealt with it a couple of times

347
00:15:04,009 --> 00:15:01,980
so

348
00:15:05,930 --> 00:15:04,019
um that's pretty much all three of those

349
00:15:07,910 --> 00:15:05,940
signings right there but these are you

350
00:15:09,650 --> 00:15:07,920
know Chicago Fire Departments

351
00:15:12,170 --> 00:15:09,660
firefighters they're assigned to the

352
00:15:15,710 --> 00:15:12,180
airport uh I believe there are four

353
00:15:18,050 --> 00:15:15,720
station houses around the airport uh all

354
00:15:20,509 --> 00:15:18,060
of them are very specialized units uh

355
00:15:24,350 --> 00:15:20,519
designed for uh fighting it fires at the

356
00:15:26,509 --> 00:15:24,360
airport so yeah these guys multiple most

357
00:15:29,150 --> 00:15:26,519
of them have had um

358
00:15:32,150 --> 00:15:29,160
have had you know multi-years of

359
00:15:34,730 --> 00:15:32,160
experience within the cfd

360
00:15:36,470 --> 00:15:34,740
um and it was just really weird to see

361
00:15:38,269 --> 00:15:36,480
to see

362
00:15:40,610 --> 00:15:38,279
these kinds of people these people are

363
00:15:42,170 --> 00:15:40,620
not only First Responders what you would

364
00:15:44,569 --> 00:15:42,180
put in your father you want to say

365
00:15:47,030 --> 00:15:44,579
they're trained observers you know

366
00:15:49,009 --> 00:15:47,040
seasoned observers so they're used to

367
00:15:50,629 --> 00:15:49,019
kind of seeing you know they're they're

368
00:15:52,970 --> 00:15:50,639
used to seeing something gathering

369
00:15:55,370 --> 00:15:52,980
information and being able to give it

370
00:15:56,870 --> 00:15:55,380
back to you you know with the exacting

371
00:15:59,629 --> 00:15:56,880
detail and they were able to get some

372
00:16:03,949 --> 00:15:59,639
really good details about this thing

373
00:16:09,889 --> 00:16:06,829
yeah this the uh station two and station

374
00:16:11,449 --> 00:16:09,899
three are pretty close to each other

375
00:16:14,629 --> 00:16:11,459
um station

376
00:16:16,069 --> 00:16:14,639
three is just North of station two but I

377
00:16:17,030 --> 00:16:16,079
think there are four of them all

378
00:16:19,970 --> 00:16:17,040
together

379
00:16:22,370 --> 00:16:19,980
uh let me ask a question here Karen

380
00:16:24,350 --> 00:16:22,380
Peterson asked um

381
00:16:25,790 --> 00:16:24,360
what time of day are most of the

382
00:16:28,069 --> 00:16:25,800
sightings

383
00:16:31,730 --> 00:16:28,079
um you guys want to answer that I mean

384
00:16:33,350 --> 00:16:31,740
you know I I guess we first thought in

385
00:16:34,850 --> 00:16:33,360
the beginning most societies were at

386
00:16:37,490 --> 00:16:34,860
night time but it didn't turn out that

387
00:16:39,470 --> 00:16:37,500
we were getting daytime sightings too

388
00:16:45,009 --> 00:16:39,480
oh yeah

389
00:16:46,910 --> 00:16:45,019
well it's uh it's as I

390
00:16:48,949 --> 00:16:46,920
category of

391
00:16:52,009 --> 00:16:48,959
uh the

392
00:16:54,769 --> 00:16:52,019
particular witness report falls under

393
00:16:56,269 --> 00:16:54,779
um you know a lot of times scientists

394
00:16:59,389 --> 00:16:56,279
lack the

395
00:17:00,910 --> 00:16:59,399
seemingly paranormal qualities that you

396
00:17:02,629 --> 00:17:00,920
would normally

397
00:17:05,150 --> 00:17:02,639
with

398
00:17:08,689 --> 00:17:05,160
um a Mothman thing and so there's good

399
00:17:11,750 --> 00:17:08,699
evidence that uh that many if not all

400
00:17:13,449 --> 00:17:11,760
but at least a minute probably of the

401
00:17:16,850 --> 00:17:13,459
daytime sightings

402
00:17:19,069 --> 00:17:16,860
reasonably explained

403
00:17:22,669 --> 00:17:19,079
um you know prosaically like they

404
00:17:24,770 --> 00:17:22,679
probably have mundane uh behind that

405
00:17:26,470 --> 00:17:24,780
being that missed that I Heards or or

406
00:17:28,450 --> 00:17:26,480
similar

407
00:17:30,370 --> 00:17:28,460
and so

408
00:17:39,770 --> 00:17:30,380
of the

409
00:17:43,610 --> 00:17:39,780
to to be people uh those certain uh

410
00:17:46,549 --> 00:17:43,620
common at uh night time but you've

411
00:17:50,870 --> 00:17:46,559
you've really got to uh examine each

412
00:17:53,330 --> 00:17:50,880
sighting on our merits and and then sort

413
00:17:54,230 --> 00:17:53,340
of uh try to

414
00:17:56,690 --> 00:17:54,240
um

415
00:18:00,289 --> 00:17:56,700
uh take you know your your conclusions

416
00:18:04,970 --> 00:18:00,299
from that rather than trying to make of

417
00:18:06,470 --> 00:18:04,980
all of them as a a whole because if you

418
00:18:09,169 --> 00:18:06,480
do that uh the whole thing it's just

419
00:18:11,810 --> 00:18:09,179
it's not much sense

420
00:18:14,450 --> 00:18:11,820
uh Tobias I'm gonna have you um I'm

421
00:18:15,950 --> 00:18:14,460
gonna have you log out and come back in

422
00:18:17,870 --> 00:18:15,960
and I'll put you back because you're

423
00:18:24,110 --> 00:18:17,880
really breaking up on us

424
00:18:31,190 --> 00:18:27,590
so uh the next sighting we had was up in

425
00:18:32,750 --> 00:18:31,200
Waukegan and this was sent to me

426
00:18:36,350 --> 00:18:32,760
uh

427
00:18:40,669 --> 00:18:36,360
it was a family of six who had seen

428
00:18:43,130 --> 00:18:40,679
a black flying humanoid above them near

429
00:18:45,169 --> 00:18:43,140
Lake Michigan lakefront and this now

430
00:18:50,210 --> 00:18:45,179
this is an older site this was August of

431
00:18:53,810 --> 00:18:51,230
um

432
00:18:54,950 --> 00:18:53,820
and actually we had another sighting

433
00:18:57,350 --> 00:18:54,960
there

434
00:18:58,730 --> 00:18:57,360
previous to that very close to the same

435
00:19:01,370 --> 00:18:58,740
location

436
00:19:02,990 --> 00:19:01,380
but they were telling me that

437
00:19:04,970 --> 00:19:03,000
um

438
00:19:06,230 --> 00:19:04,980
and that was over at Bowen Park I think

439
00:19:13,610 --> 00:19:06,240
you had talked about that as a

440
00:19:18,110 --> 00:19:15,610
yeah

441
00:19:20,450 --> 00:19:18,120
at the in and around that area at a

442
00:19:23,690 --> 00:19:20,460
skateboard park

443
00:19:28,730 --> 00:19:25,630
okay I got

444
00:19:30,110 --> 00:19:28,740
Tobias is back in

445
00:19:33,169 --> 00:19:30,120
um

446
00:19:34,850 --> 00:19:33,179
yeah so anyway what they told me uh you

447
00:19:37,070 --> 00:19:34,860
know I talked to the witness get more

448
00:19:39,830 --> 00:19:37,080
information about the sighting

449
00:19:43,610 --> 00:19:39,840
and she described it as six to seven

450
00:19:46,490 --> 00:19:43,620
foot long human like Beam with a small

451
00:19:47,990 --> 00:19:46,500
head there were no visible Wings on this

452
00:19:50,090 --> 00:19:48,000
thing

453
00:19:52,610 --> 00:19:50,100
but there was detail to the body even

454
00:19:55,669 --> 00:19:52,620
though it was solid black in color

455
00:19:57,770 --> 00:19:55,679
and a witness could make out the body

456
00:20:00,710 --> 00:19:57,780
Contour

457
00:20:03,770 --> 00:20:00,720
I was a well-defined chest with pecoral

458
00:20:05,870 --> 00:20:03,780
muscles as it flew over then the speed

459
00:20:09,130 --> 00:20:05,880
was not constant

460
00:20:12,049 --> 00:20:09,140
as it would occasionally hover

461
00:20:14,570 --> 00:20:12,059
and uh it did seem to be a living being

462
00:20:16,610 --> 00:20:14,580
because the the legs and arms would

463
00:20:19,669 --> 00:20:16,620
change position

464
00:20:21,590 --> 00:20:19,679
now the location was about 500 foot from

465
00:20:24,230 --> 00:20:21,600
the lakefront on Market Street just

466
00:20:26,150 --> 00:20:24,240
south of Waukegan Harbor

467
00:20:27,529 --> 00:20:26,160
clear sunny day about two in the

468
00:20:31,549 --> 00:20:27,539
afternoon

469
00:20:34,450 --> 00:20:31,559
uh six Witnesses and each one of them

470
00:20:38,750 --> 00:20:34,460
described the same thing

471
00:20:41,270 --> 00:20:38,760
so uh I did talk to

472
00:20:43,070 --> 00:20:41,280
the mother and I talked to another

473
00:20:45,350 --> 00:20:43,080
member of the family

474
00:20:47,330 --> 00:20:45,360
and uh

475
00:20:50,390 --> 00:20:47,340
I don't know what the hell they saw you

476
00:20:53,029 --> 00:20:50,400
know the fact that they didn't see

477
00:20:55,909 --> 00:20:53,039
any uh Wing or any any wings or anything

478
00:20:58,250 --> 00:20:55,919
outstretched

479
00:21:00,770 --> 00:20:58,260
you know we've had we've had a few

480
00:21:03,169 --> 00:21:00,780
sightings that seem very Supernatural

481
00:21:04,789 --> 00:21:03,179
uh it just didn't make sense maybe this

482
00:21:07,730 --> 00:21:04,799
was another one of those I don't know

483
00:21:14,029 --> 00:21:12,590
I mean kind of gives off some Vibes um

484
00:21:16,610 --> 00:21:14,039
you know if you ever seen some of the

485
00:21:18,950 --> 00:21:16,620
flying um humanoid sightings that

486
00:21:21,890 --> 00:21:18,960
they've had out of Mexico

487
00:21:23,390 --> 00:21:21,900
um what they've described as a witch or

488
00:21:25,430 --> 00:21:23,400
something right

489
00:21:28,669 --> 00:21:25,440
um or even the ones that look like the

490
00:21:29,390 --> 00:21:28,679
man who um or the Extraterrestrial it's

491
00:21:35,750 --> 00:21:29,400
like

492
00:21:37,970 --> 00:21:35,760
come out of Mexico and some of them have

493
00:21:40,250 --> 00:21:37,980
had some really good details I mean I

494
00:21:43,130 --> 00:21:40,260
remember a sighting scene where the the

495
00:21:46,370 --> 00:21:43,140
guy saw the creature turn and look right

496
00:21:49,669 --> 00:21:46,380
at him the Extraterrestrial and

497
00:21:51,470 --> 00:21:49,679
um it had like a menacing look on his

498
00:21:55,850 --> 00:21:51,480
face like if they want to be

499
00:21:57,830 --> 00:21:55,860
um it didn't want to be uh filmed

500
00:21:59,690 --> 00:21:57,840
um I mean it's also the one the classic

501
00:22:02,750 --> 00:21:59,700
one where they they said it's a witch on

502
00:22:05,330 --> 00:22:02,760
a broom but whatever it was it was a

503
00:22:07,190 --> 00:22:05,340
solid mass and it was pretty you know

504
00:22:08,570 --> 00:22:07,200
pretty impressive to see that it was

505
00:22:10,789 --> 00:22:08,580
flying

506
00:22:13,909 --> 00:22:10,799
um several hundred feet off the ground

507
00:22:16,549 --> 00:22:13,919
so maybe that's what it was

508
00:22:17,930 --> 00:22:16,559
um you know I don't think it could be

509
00:22:20,690 --> 00:22:17,940
anything like the the Los Angeles

510
00:22:22,850 --> 00:22:20,700
Jetpack Man I mean no I don't think that

511
00:22:24,830 --> 00:22:22,860
either

512
00:22:27,770 --> 00:22:24,840
I don't think that's the yeah that whole

513
00:22:30,890 --> 00:22:27,780
thing is I I yeah have they ever found

514
00:22:44,230 --> 00:22:30,900
anybody responsible for that do either

515
00:22:50,990 --> 00:22:46,730
potentially a balloon or something

516
00:22:54,830 --> 00:22:51,000
simpler but as far as I know um

517
00:22:56,570 --> 00:22:54,840
just unexplained still yeah and I I can

518
00:22:58,490 --> 00:22:56,580
kind of think yeah I know whoever it is

519
00:23:00,529 --> 00:22:58,500
is keeping a low power profile because

520
00:23:02,210 --> 00:23:00,539
that person's going to jail oh yeah

521
00:23:03,710 --> 00:23:02,220
they're going to jail they're no doubt

522
00:23:05,870 --> 00:23:03,720
about them

523
00:23:07,850 --> 00:23:05,880
I got another question here from Karen

524
00:23:09,590 --> 00:23:07,860
Peterson can people hear the wings or

525
00:23:11,990 --> 00:23:09,600
are they silent

526
00:23:14,169 --> 00:23:12,000
uh occasionally somebody will say they

527
00:23:16,850 --> 00:23:14,179
hear the flapping of the wings

528
00:23:19,490 --> 00:23:16,860
for the most part

529
00:23:21,430 --> 00:23:19,500
people are seeing them hover a lot of

530
00:23:25,190 --> 00:23:21,440
times

531
00:23:26,690 --> 00:23:25,200
uh so uh you know we get we get both I

532
00:23:28,789 --> 00:23:26,700
mean sometimes they hear the wings

533
00:23:30,470 --> 00:23:28,799
sometimes they don't

534
00:23:33,830 --> 00:23:30,480
so um

535
00:23:36,110 --> 00:23:33,840
now George Morgan asked and this is a

536
00:23:39,169 --> 00:23:36,120
good question what is the significance

537
00:23:41,029 --> 00:23:39,179
of the red eyes with Mothman Hat Man and

538
00:23:43,190 --> 00:23:41,039
other Cryptids

539
00:23:48,590 --> 00:23:43,200
I don't know

540
00:23:52,490 --> 00:23:48,600
what do you guys think about that

541
00:23:55,789 --> 00:23:52,500
oh no in terms of of significance like

542
00:23:59,350 --> 00:23:55,799
for the in particular

543
00:24:02,090 --> 00:23:59,360
um is is is difficult

544
00:24:05,930 --> 00:24:02,100
because that

545
00:24:08,350 --> 00:24:05,940
requires us to start to get to things

546
00:24:14,750 --> 00:24:08,360
like

547
00:24:18,470 --> 00:24:14,760
I think initially his you can see our

548
00:24:22,310 --> 00:24:18,480
eyes being applied to monsters you know

549
00:24:25,789 --> 00:24:22,320
in fiction and and as we're seeing

550
00:24:30,830 --> 00:24:25,799
um reported non-fiction and uh and and

551
00:24:34,970 --> 00:24:30,840
it's always associated with evil or or

552
00:24:38,450 --> 00:24:34,980
something that is a threat to humanity

553
00:24:40,789 --> 00:24:38,460
and so I guess speculatively you would

554
00:24:43,610 --> 00:24:40,799
have to then consider

555
00:24:47,810 --> 00:24:43,620
whether or not the uh well actually

556
00:24:51,710 --> 00:24:47,820
there is a third option uh animals that

557
00:24:54,289 --> 00:24:51,720
naturally have read like that it's it's

558
00:24:55,130 --> 00:24:54,299
not super common but it definitely does

559
00:24:58,730 --> 00:24:55,140
happen

560
00:25:01,490 --> 00:24:58,740
um a couple uh just in the the Chicago

561
00:25:04,909 --> 00:25:01,500
area would be the black crowned night

562
00:25:07,549 --> 00:25:04,919
heron they have the girls that will give

563
00:25:11,210 --> 00:25:07,559
you red eye shine and so that is

564
00:25:14,029 --> 00:25:11,220
possibly at one one explanation but I

565
00:25:17,510 --> 00:25:14,039
think if you're considering the the uh

566
00:25:20,210 --> 00:25:17,520
pulse most likely to be paranormal

567
00:25:22,570 --> 00:25:20,220
um more or less

568
00:25:26,330 --> 00:25:22,580
to discard

569
00:25:28,430 --> 00:25:26,340
the nation around potential

570
00:25:30,950 --> 00:25:28,440
um biological qualities

571
00:25:34,909 --> 00:25:30,960
uh that that pretty quickly nothing

572
00:25:37,490 --> 00:25:34,919
about these sightings real and in terms

573
00:25:40,490 --> 00:25:37,500
of how we understand biology

574
00:25:43,010 --> 00:25:40,500
um but uh to go back to my

575
00:25:44,390 --> 00:25:43,020
original point I think it has to

576
00:25:48,590 --> 00:25:44,400
consider

577
00:25:50,870 --> 00:25:48,600
um you know speculatively uh what

578
00:25:53,330 --> 00:25:50,880
um that's for sure you know might gain

579
00:25:55,970 --> 00:25:53,340
out of I think these these glowing red

580
00:25:59,870 --> 00:25:55,980
eyes so whether or not that's a

581
00:26:03,409 --> 00:25:59,880
reflection of our own fears you know uh

582
00:26:06,169 --> 00:26:03,419
something uh being picked up on by by

583
00:26:09,470 --> 00:26:06,179
this reflected

584
00:26:12,470 --> 00:26:09,480
still fear or something

585
00:26:15,049 --> 00:26:12,480
um or uh maybe it's it's some sort of

586
00:26:18,110 --> 00:26:15,059
you know natural defense that sort of

587
00:26:19,490 --> 00:26:18,120
feeds off of the cultural fear or

588
00:26:20,390 --> 00:26:19,500
something

589
00:26:21,649 --> 00:26:20,400
um but

590
00:26:24,950 --> 00:26:21,659
Lee

591
00:26:27,769 --> 00:26:24,960
and all you can really do is speculate

592
00:26:30,169 --> 00:26:27,779
about be because the the overall

593
00:26:31,549 --> 00:26:30,179
significance of of something like that

594
00:26:33,470 --> 00:26:31,559
is just in

595
00:26:35,450 --> 00:26:33,480
for anybody

596
00:26:38,450 --> 00:26:35,460
that you know I mean we could we could

597
00:26:44,510 --> 00:26:42,110
and I do I do have to agree with Tobias

598
00:26:47,390 --> 00:26:44,520
on that I mean biologically I don't

599
00:26:49,370 --> 00:26:47,400
think very many creatures have any kind

600
00:26:51,830 --> 00:26:49,380
of glowing eyes even bioluminescent

601
00:26:54,769 --> 00:26:51,840
because it would be

602
00:26:57,470 --> 00:26:54,779
in detrimental you know to giving away

603
00:27:00,350 --> 00:26:57,480
somebody's position you know

604
00:27:02,450 --> 00:27:00,360
um it could be something like um like if

605
00:27:04,370 --> 00:27:02,460
you know the hair and I've seen those

606
00:27:06,230 --> 00:27:04,380
things you know here in the Chicago area

607
00:27:08,029 --> 00:27:06,240
and if you don't know what you're

608
00:27:09,769 --> 00:27:08,039
looking at and this thing will scare the

609
00:27:12,110 --> 00:27:09,779
living daylight so they're not

610
00:27:14,090 --> 00:27:12,120
small animals they're fairly large

611
00:27:16,190 --> 00:27:14,100
animals

612
00:27:17,990 --> 00:27:16,200
and then also same thing connect with

613
00:27:20,750 --> 00:27:18,000
cats you know cats have that eye shine

614
00:27:21,950 --> 00:27:20,760
you know okay if you get because they're

615
00:27:23,690 --> 00:27:21,960
they're

616
00:27:25,789 --> 00:27:23,700
eyes are designed to gather light and

617
00:27:28,370 --> 00:27:25,799
reflect it back out

618
00:27:30,409 --> 00:27:28,380
um I've also kind of thought maybe what

619
00:27:32,570 --> 00:27:30,419
if it is like um

620
00:27:34,490 --> 00:27:32,580
like an extraterrestrial being of some

621
00:27:37,430 --> 00:27:34,500
kind that's maybe using some kind of

622
00:27:40,549 --> 00:27:37,440
Technology uh we have something similar

623
00:27:43,490 --> 00:27:40,559
to that night vision goggles

624
00:27:45,590 --> 00:27:43,500
um that might be you know giving off

625
00:27:48,289 --> 00:27:45,600
some kind of reflection to somebody else

626
00:27:50,690 --> 00:27:48,299
but biologically I don't think you're

627
00:27:53,570 --> 00:27:50,700
gonna you know very many creatures are

628
00:27:56,269 --> 00:27:53,580
gonna have you know glowing red eyes uh

629
00:27:58,669 --> 00:27:56,279
if any that I've even known because it's

630
00:27:59,570 --> 00:27:58,679
a detriment to their safety

631
00:28:03,830 --> 00:27:59,580
um

632
00:28:05,570 --> 00:28:03,840
maybe attract prey but not you know give

633
00:28:07,610 --> 00:28:05,580
away your position to your other to

634
00:28:10,549 --> 00:28:07,620
anything else that might be for dating

635
00:28:13,130 --> 00:28:10,559
on you yeah it seems like it would be a

636
00:28:14,990 --> 00:28:13,140
net characteristic of an actual Predator

637
00:28:16,730 --> 00:28:15,000
as opposed to the prey or something

638
00:28:20,450 --> 00:28:16,740
that's trying to keep it so hidden away

639
00:28:22,010 --> 00:28:20,460
from the Predator uh you know let it

640
00:28:24,169 --> 00:28:22,020
know you're out there because you've got

641
00:28:26,930 --> 00:28:24,179
these flash you know these red glowing

642
00:28:28,130 --> 00:28:26,940
or Illuminating eyes

643
00:28:30,169 --> 00:28:28,140
um

644
00:28:32,750 --> 00:28:30,179
I I mean I still believe there's a

645
00:28:34,610 --> 00:28:32,760
supernatural reason for it but

646
00:28:36,470 --> 00:28:34,620
yeah and you're right these Blue Heron

647
00:28:38,450 --> 00:28:36,480
you know we've had we had the great blue

648
00:28:40,610 --> 00:28:38,460
heron down on the bay

649
00:28:45,049 --> 00:28:40,620
and those things are huge they're

650
00:28:47,990 --> 00:28:45,059
they're magnificently huge and uh

651
00:28:50,750 --> 00:28:48,000
yeah so I I

652
00:28:52,669 --> 00:28:50,760
I don't see where actually where you'd

653
00:28:54,289 --> 00:28:52,679
see one of them you'd be able to mistake

654
00:28:56,870 --> 00:28:54,299
it but then again you know people see

655
00:28:59,149 --> 00:28:56,880
different things as different ways it's

656
00:29:01,430 --> 00:28:59,159
all about perception I guess

657
00:29:03,710 --> 00:29:01,440
well we have here we have a lot of

658
00:29:06,409 --> 00:29:03,720
animals I mean I showed you guys I sent

659
00:29:08,029 --> 00:29:06,419
you guys a video or a photo was it a

660
00:29:09,350 --> 00:29:08,039
couple of weeks ago I believe uh

661
00:29:12,230 --> 00:29:09,360
somebody thought they had seen a

662
00:29:14,269 --> 00:29:12,240
humanoid uh flying humanoid turned out

663
00:29:16,909 --> 00:29:14,279
to be a turkey vulture

664
00:29:19,909 --> 00:29:16,919
um this thing was huge oh yeah they're

665
00:29:23,630 --> 00:29:19,919
big you know I've seen great I've seen

666
00:29:25,789 --> 00:29:23,640
bald eagles in Wisconsin they're

667
00:29:28,070 --> 00:29:25,799
but they're not lying when they say

668
00:29:30,710 --> 00:29:28,080
these things are massive when as far as

669
00:29:31,370 --> 00:29:30,720
your wing spans and everything so

670
00:29:33,649 --> 00:29:31,380
um

671
00:29:35,510 --> 00:29:33,659
I would think that maybe under the right

672
00:29:38,510 --> 00:29:35,520
conditions those things can be seen as

673
00:29:40,970 --> 00:29:38,520
some kind of flying humanoid but I've

674
00:29:43,010 --> 00:29:40,980
never seen anything with any kind of

675
00:29:46,310 --> 00:29:43,020
glowing red eyes that would you know

676
00:29:48,649 --> 00:29:46,320
other than maybe like you know demonic

677
00:29:56,769 --> 00:29:48,659
or evil is kind of like what Tobias was

678
00:30:03,010 --> 00:30:00,350
also biologically now obviously I shine

679
00:30:05,750 --> 00:30:03,020
is one thing the eyes aren't

680
00:30:10,669 --> 00:30:05,760
uh in in that instance they're just

681
00:30:11,769 --> 00:30:10,679
repeating white back uh if you can rule

682
00:30:14,930 --> 00:30:11,779
uh

683
00:30:18,250 --> 00:30:14,940
specifically it should be well it would

684
00:30:20,810 --> 00:30:18,260
be a huge difference to have

685
00:30:22,730 --> 00:30:20,820
predictively blind because that's just

686
00:30:25,730 --> 00:30:22,740
by his work

687
00:30:28,909 --> 00:30:25,740
um if if you had eyes creating to be

688
00:30:30,289 --> 00:30:28,919
able to see is in life you wouldn't be

689
00:30:32,389 --> 00:30:30,299
able to see anything else and you'd

690
00:30:34,310 --> 00:30:32,399
basically be blind you know it doesn't

691
00:30:36,889 --> 00:30:34,320
make sense for that uh by a lot of

692
00:30:39,470 --> 00:30:36,899
reasons well well interesting though is

693
00:30:43,810 --> 00:30:39,480
Manuel mentions uh something like

694
00:30:48,110 --> 00:30:43,820
goggles or something someone yeah

695
00:30:50,210 --> 00:30:48,120
recall a report I took I'm a retired

696
00:30:52,610 --> 00:30:50,220
policeman Chicago

697
00:30:56,210 --> 00:30:52,620
um by the name of David Ramos

698
00:30:59,810 --> 00:30:56,220
and uh so he was something a 15-year vet

699
00:31:03,470 --> 00:30:59,820
of the the police department and um

700
00:31:05,210 --> 00:31:03,480
he told me about this song that was a

701
00:31:08,269 --> 00:31:05,220
relatively younger he was 12 years old

702
00:31:10,970 --> 00:31:08,279
in uh in Chicago and uh he was hanging

703
00:31:14,210 --> 00:31:10,980
out at the uh the North Branch of the

704
00:31:17,870 --> 00:31:14,220
future there and he was alone on the

705
00:31:19,789 --> 00:31:17,880
parents were around uh down by the uh

706
00:31:22,669 --> 00:31:19,799
the river I saw this thing and you know

707
00:31:24,950 --> 00:31:22,679
I I'll cut to chase here basically he

708
00:31:28,130 --> 00:31:24,960
saw he thought that he was wearing

709
00:31:31,610 --> 00:31:28,140
goggles because it had these these bad

710
00:31:33,889 --> 00:31:31,620
red eyes you know of course first that

711
00:31:35,930 --> 00:31:33,899
occurs to him isn't that these are a lot

712
00:31:38,510 --> 00:31:35,940
because that should be impossible the

713
00:31:40,370 --> 00:31:38,520
first thing that occurred did was that

714
00:31:42,889 --> 00:31:40,380
it'd be somebody you know wearing

715
00:31:47,630 --> 00:31:42,899
wearing goggles and so

716
00:31:50,330 --> 00:31:47,640
um we had to consider that as as a a

717
00:31:53,690 --> 00:31:50,340
serious uh possibility you know it just

718
00:31:56,330 --> 00:31:53,700
included in in the actual uh when we're

719
00:31:57,350 --> 00:31:56,340
circulated about this

720
00:31:59,330 --> 00:31:57,360
um

721
00:32:01,430 --> 00:31:59,340
okay

722
00:32:04,389 --> 00:32:01,440
uh

723
00:32:08,210 --> 00:32:04,399
so the next sighting we had

724
00:32:10,490 --> 00:32:08,220
was uh it was a gentleman from Wayne

725
00:32:12,289 --> 00:32:10,500
Illinois

726
00:32:14,389 --> 00:32:12,299
he said he had an encounter with a

727
00:32:16,909 --> 00:32:14,399
winged humanoid while traveling near his

728
00:32:18,350 --> 00:32:16,919
home exactly he was actually right down

729
00:32:20,570 --> 00:32:18,360
the street he

730
00:32:22,970 --> 00:32:20,580
um was on his way home

731
00:32:27,529 --> 00:32:22,980
and this humanoid flew in front of his

732
00:32:31,669 --> 00:32:28,789
um

733
00:32:36,110 --> 00:32:31,679
I I did talk to this gentleman he said

734
00:32:38,510 --> 00:32:36,120
he occurred back in mid-september 2022

735
00:32:41,990 --> 00:32:38,520
at the intersection of Smith Road and

736
00:32:46,970 --> 00:32:42,000
Mountain Ash Drive in Wayne Illinois

737
00:32:52,970 --> 00:32:50,450
and uh the and he said a pastor was

738
00:32:55,010 --> 00:32:52,980
traveling south

739
00:32:57,370 --> 00:32:55,020
oh he had a passenger and it was

740
00:32:59,810 --> 00:32:57,380
traveling south on Mountain Ash Drive

741
00:33:02,210 --> 00:32:59,820
and when he reached the intersection was

742
00:33:05,750 --> 00:33:02,220
Smith Road he states that the six and a

743
00:33:09,409 --> 00:33:05,760
half seven foot long black human-like

744
00:33:11,510 --> 00:33:09,419
figure swiftly swooped in front of the

745
00:33:12,649 --> 00:33:11,520
vehicle about 10 foot in front of the

746
00:33:14,750 --> 00:33:12,659
car

747
00:33:16,970 --> 00:33:14,760
the wings and the arms were tucked

748
00:33:19,850 --> 00:33:16,980
against the body and it quickly glided

749
00:33:22,250 --> 00:33:19,860
from east to west very close to the road

750
00:33:23,810 --> 00:33:22,260
in fact it was so close to the road that

751
00:33:25,130 --> 00:33:23,820
the headlights illuminated the winged

752
00:33:27,710 --> 00:33:25,140
humanoid

753
00:33:30,769 --> 00:33:27,720
he said the encounter was so fast that

754
00:33:34,070 --> 00:33:30,779
he couldn't make any facial features but

755
00:33:37,730 --> 00:33:34,080
the body and head were very human-like

756
00:33:40,909 --> 00:33:37,740
uh he said he had been previously aware

757
00:33:44,029 --> 00:33:40,919
of the phenomena in Chicagoland area

758
00:33:46,370 --> 00:33:44,039
and that's how he found me now this

759
00:33:48,470 --> 00:33:46,380
sighting was fairly close to another

760
00:33:51,130 --> 00:33:48,480
sighting we had in Carol Stream Illinois

761
00:33:54,169 --> 00:33:51,140
in 2020

762
00:33:56,570 --> 00:33:54,179
and uh you know he seemed like

763
00:33:59,029 --> 00:33:56,580
you know it seemed like he really did

764
00:34:00,350 --> 00:33:59,039
see something I mean you know you know

765
00:34:01,850 --> 00:34:00,360
how it is guys you know when you talk

766
00:34:03,230 --> 00:34:01,860
these people you can tell if they're

767
00:34:05,509 --> 00:34:03,240
trying to

768
00:34:07,610 --> 00:34:05,519
try to pull the wall over your eyes

769
00:34:09,169 --> 00:34:07,620
but I think that this was a brief

770
00:34:10,909 --> 00:34:09,179
sighting but it was an interesting I

771
00:34:12,109 --> 00:34:10,919
mean it's you know it's just another one

772
00:34:15,050 --> 00:34:12,119
of these

773
00:34:17,329 --> 00:34:15,060
these things that you know are seen that

774
00:34:20,030 --> 00:34:17,339
people can't explain very humanoid like

775
00:34:22,129 --> 00:34:20,040
but you know they're not you know

776
00:34:24,649 --> 00:34:22,139
they're gliding they're quick they're

777
00:34:27,829 --> 00:34:24,659
dark in color and have a lot of human

778
00:34:28,849 --> 00:34:27,839
life features to them

779
00:34:31,730 --> 00:34:28,859
um

780
00:34:34,369 --> 00:34:31,740
Marla Snyder has a question do you think

781
00:34:36,050 --> 00:34:34,379
there are numerous variations in species

782
00:34:38,930 --> 00:34:36,060
of these things

783
00:34:43,369 --> 00:34:38,940
or do you think it's more about what

784
00:34:49,129 --> 00:34:46,310
oh that's very interesting I mean

785
00:34:51,649 --> 00:34:49,139
honestly there can be obviously there

786
00:34:54,010 --> 00:34:51,659
would have to be numerous variations or

787
00:34:56,690 --> 00:34:54,020
species I mean we've seen so many

788
00:34:59,990 --> 00:34:56,700
different types since we've started this

789
00:35:02,450 --> 00:35:00,000
journey together I mean we've seems to

790
00:35:07,130 --> 00:35:02,460
short one small ones tall ones we've

791
00:35:09,710 --> 00:35:07,140
seen crested ones um the ones that um

792
00:35:11,810 --> 00:35:09,720
are said to look like um

793
00:35:14,630 --> 00:35:11,820
you know like bats some of them look

794
00:35:16,550 --> 00:35:14,640
like pterodactyls some look like owls

795
00:35:18,770 --> 00:35:16,560
you know

796
00:35:20,329 --> 00:35:18,780
um I would think yeah there there's no

797
00:35:22,250 --> 00:35:20,339
reason Rhyme or Reason that why there

798
00:35:24,290 --> 00:35:22,260
should not be more than one

799
00:35:32,750 --> 00:35:24,300
you know different kind of variation or

800
00:35:37,130 --> 00:35:35,089
uh let's see got another one another

801
00:35:39,170 --> 00:35:37,140
question from summer nights and neon

802
00:35:41,990 --> 00:35:39,180
lights wonder how many people have seen

803
00:35:43,730 --> 00:35:42,000
it and not sit or report it to anyone

804
00:35:45,109 --> 00:35:43,740
out of fear ridiculous well I'm quite

805
00:35:46,609 --> 00:35:45,119
sure there's a lot of

806
00:35:50,510 --> 00:35:46,619
uh

807
00:35:52,490 --> 00:35:50,520
we're at 161 sightings that we feel may

808
00:35:53,510 --> 00:35:52,500
be credible

809
00:35:56,210 --> 00:35:53,520
um

810
00:35:58,790 --> 00:35:56,220
I don't know what percentage that we

811
00:36:01,609 --> 00:35:58,800
have gotten but I I'd say it's a the

812
00:36:03,710 --> 00:36:01,619
percentage that we have received is a

813
00:36:06,170 --> 00:36:03,720
very small it's actually a very small

814
00:36:08,569 --> 00:36:06,180
percentage of the actual sightings when

815
00:36:10,130 --> 00:36:08,579
you guys agree that

816
00:36:10,910 --> 00:36:10,140
well sure

817
00:36:13,990 --> 00:36:10,920
um

818
00:36:18,530 --> 00:36:14,000
yeah most common

819
00:36:22,270 --> 00:36:18,540
hear from Witnesses is that um they'll

820
00:36:26,750 --> 00:36:22,280
have the impossible sighting you know

821
00:36:33,849 --> 00:36:26,760
that they just can't explain and um and

822
00:36:40,490 --> 00:36:37,130
release if nothing else of telling story

823
00:36:44,210 --> 00:36:40,500
and having it be hello to a loved one it

824
00:36:47,150 --> 00:36:44,220
could be a spouse or a pet or a sibler

825
00:36:50,390 --> 00:36:47,160
or something similar and they tell them

826
00:36:53,270 --> 00:36:50,400
about their experience and and the

827
00:36:55,370 --> 00:36:53,280
number one question that they that is

828
00:37:03,950 --> 00:36:55,380
and

829
00:37:07,010 --> 00:37:03,960
know somebody

830
00:37:09,890 --> 00:37:07,020
um like us presumably that will will

831
00:37:12,230 --> 00:37:09,900
take them seriously to consider after

832
00:37:13,609 --> 00:37:12,240
talking to so many witnesses in hearing

833
00:37:16,910 --> 00:37:13,619
the the same thing over and over again

834
00:37:21,650 --> 00:37:16,920
about didn't know that he was taking

835
00:37:23,450 --> 00:37:21,660
care of anybody else had seen

836
00:37:25,210 --> 00:37:23,460
between

837
00:37:27,430 --> 00:37:25,220
um you have to

838
00:37:31,190 --> 00:37:27,440
how many people

839
00:37:36,530 --> 00:37:31,200
find someone to share their experience

840
00:37:38,450 --> 00:37:36,540
with you so there uh just something no

841
00:37:42,349 --> 00:37:38,460
one will leave them nobody's seen

842
00:37:44,810 --> 00:37:42,359
anything like this and so they just sit

843
00:37:47,390 --> 00:37:44,820
on these these stories you know probably

844
00:37:52,250 --> 00:37:47,400
and until they pass away

845
00:37:54,770 --> 00:37:52,260
um you know now you know or in this

846
00:37:58,670 --> 00:37:54,780
part of the Mothman they may have heard

847
00:38:02,510 --> 00:37:58,680
sorry most people I hesitate to choose

848
00:38:05,510 --> 00:38:02,520
the word I could probably applies here

849
00:38:07,069 --> 00:38:05,520
you know uh most people know what any of

850
00:38:09,290 --> 00:38:07,079
that stuff is they don't hear about it

851
00:38:11,210 --> 00:38:09,300
like if I were to ask my parents the

852
00:38:14,089 --> 00:38:11,220
only reason they've ever heard about it

853
00:38:16,670 --> 00:38:14,099
is because they have you for a son but

854
00:38:20,270 --> 00:38:16,680
otherwise you know like if they saw Wing

855
00:38:23,170 --> 00:38:20,280
good they would eat an idea anybody else

856
00:38:26,030 --> 00:38:23,180
anywhere I'd ever see anything they was

857
00:38:27,829 --> 00:38:26,040
that that nobody had and I think that

858
00:38:30,410 --> 00:38:27,839
that's probably a lot of people

859
00:38:32,870 --> 00:38:30,420
um and so you know we yeah we are

860
00:38:35,930 --> 00:38:32,880
missing out on lots of of sightings

861
00:38:41,030 --> 00:38:35,940
because people just just don't know

862
00:38:46,250 --> 00:38:43,190
like yeah you know Tobias I'm going to

863
00:38:48,230 --> 00:38:46,260
ask you again can you actually reboot

864
00:38:50,569 --> 00:38:48,240
your computer I I think we got a

865
00:38:54,530 --> 00:38:50,579
connection issue on your side could you

866
00:38:58,670 --> 00:38:54,540
try that for me please yeah sure okay

867
00:39:05,410 --> 00:39:01,670
so the next sighting

868
00:39:08,210 --> 00:39:05,420
was the the most recent Little Village

869
00:39:09,950 --> 00:39:08,220
sighting over Little Village Plaza that

870
00:39:11,150 --> 00:39:09,960
was reported to you

871
00:39:13,670 --> 00:39:11,160
um Manuel

872
00:39:16,370 --> 00:39:13,680
can you uh tell us about that

873
00:39:19,670 --> 00:39:16,380
oh yeah that's uh the one with the

874
00:39:22,790 --> 00:39:19,680
skateboarders uh right yeah this was a

875
00:39:24,770 --> 00:39:22,800
group of friends who were um

876
00:39:27,109 --> 00:39:24,780
the little Plaza is kind of like right

877
00:39:29,210 --> 00:39:27,119
behind the Arches uh if you ever go to a

878
00:39:31,190 --> 00:39:29,220
little village in uh Chicago you're

879
00:39:33,589 --> 00:39:31,200
gonna see these beautiful arches that

880
00:39:35,210 --> 00:39:33,599
are like at the entrance of the of the

881
00:39:37,730 --> 00:39:35,220
Little Village

882
00:39:41,390 --> 00:39:37,740
um but right before them a block before

883
00:39:42,589 --> 00:39:41,400
there's a little there's a Plaza there

884
00:39:44,750 --> 00:39:42,599
um

885
00:39:47,329 --> 00:39:44,760
just think of a massive parking lot with

886
00:39:48,170 --> 00:39:47,339
about five stores

887
00:39:56,990 --> 00:39:48,180
um

888
00:39:59,569 --> 00:39:57,000
uh Tortilla Factory and then

889
00:40:03,109 --> 00:39:59,579
there's a bait there's a Spanish uh

890
00:40:03,650 --> 00:40:03,119
bakery that I know very well because

891
00:40:06,230 --> 00:40:03,660
um

892
00:40:07,670 --> 00:40:06,240
the food is amazing there oh my wife and

893
00:40:10,550 --> 00:40:07,680
me go there quite a lot then there's

894
00:40:12,470 --> 00:40:10,560
some restaurants Evan on taking up the

895
00:40:15,230 --> 00:40:12,480
one side of the uh The Far Side of the

896
00:40:18,710 --> 00:40:15,240
parking lot is a massive uh flea market

897
00:40:20,450 --> 00:40:18,720
that's been there oh my God about 75

898
00:40:22,370 --> 00:40:20,460
years

899
00:40:24,950 --> 00:40:22,380
um and it's actually about to get torn

900
00:40:26,930 --> 00:40:24,960
down here pretty soon sadly

901
00:40:29,450 --> 00:40:26,940
um but um

902
00:40:31,010 --> 00:40:29,460
these kids would use the alley they

903
00:40:33,770 --> 00:40:31,020
lived in the neighborhood so they would

904
00:40:37,670 --> 00:40:33,780
just use this paved alley that was there

905
00:40:39,589 --> 00:40:37,680
and to lead into that uh parking lot for

906
00:40:41,690 --> 00:40:39,599
skateboarding they would just you know

907
00:40:43,609 --> 00:40:41,700
sit there you know

908
00:40:44,990 --> 00:40:43,619
you know having a good time with their

909
00:40:46,609 --> 00:40:45,000
friends you know doing tricks and

910
00:40:49,190 --> 00:40:46,619
everything

911
00:40:53,810 --> 00:40:49,200
um kind of like what skateboarders tend

912
00:40:55,970 --> 00:40:53,820
to do so they were out one night and um

913
00:40:58,010 --> 00:40:55,980
doing tricks and just talking hanging

914
00:41:00,890 --> 00:40:58,020
out and uh one of them

915
00:41:02,690 --> 00:41:00,900
saw something across the street on top

916
00:41:06,470 --> 00:41:02,700
of the flea market

917
00:41:08,810 --> 00:41:06,480
um and it looked like a really tall man

918
00:41:11,270 --> 00:41:08,820
just sitting there watching them they

919
00:41:12,770 --> 00:41:11,280
noticed the glowing red eyes

920
00:41:15,770 --> 00:41:12,780
and um

921
00:41:18,109 --> 00:41:15,780
it made them really really uneasy so

922
00:41:19,910 --> 00:41:18,119
they try to ignore it they they kept

923
00:41:22,730 --> 00:41:19,920
doing their things but they would not go

924
00:41:26,329 --> 00:41:22,740
away finally this thing took to the air

925
00:41:28,670 --> 00:41:26,339
and flew right over the top of them uh

926
00:41:30,890 --> 00:41:28,680
and did not break contact with you know

927
00:41:31,970 --> 00:41:30,900
eye contact with them

928
00:41:34,730 --> 00:41:31,980
um

929
00:41:36,950 --> 00:41:34,740
and they saw that it was winged it was a

930
00:41:39,589 --> 00:41:36,960
wing humanoid you know

931
00:41:42,050 --> 00:41:39,599
you know humanite like body seven feet

932
00:41:44,210 --> 00:41:42,060
tall uh we they said the wingspan I

933
00:41:46,609 --> 00:41:44,220
believe was about 20 feet tip to tip is

934
00:41:48,470 --> 00:41:46,619
what they're estimating

935
00:41:50,150 --> 00:41:48,480
um now

936
00:41:51,950 --> 00:41:50,160
they immediately thought you know

937
00:41:54,650 --> 00:41:51,960
lechusa

938
00:41:56,870 --> 00:41:54,660
um and they took off running

939
00:41:59,329 --> 00:41:56,880
um they they bolted for one of their

940
00:42:01,250 --> 00:41:59,339
houses all of them come flying into the

941
00:42:01,910 --> 00:42:01,260
house and uh this thing

942
00:42:04,190 --> 00:42:01,920
um

943
00:42:05,810 --> 00:42:04,200
they were they were certain this thing

944
00:42:06,470 --> 00:42:05,820
was following them

945
00:42:13,910 --> 00:42:06,480
um

946
00:42:15,770 --> 00:42:13,920
even talking about that it could have

947
00:42:16,910 --> 00:42:15,780
been one of the guys's uh ex-girlfriend

948
00:42:18,230 --> 00:42:16,920
he had just broken up with an

949
00:42:19,910 --> 00:42:18,240
ex-girlfriend

950
00:42:23,690 --> 00:42:19,920
and that she had

951
00:42:26,510 --> 00:42:23,700
um summon the lechuza to go after him as

952
00:42:28,910 --> 00:42:26,520
you know for vengeance but yeah very

953
00:42:31,430 --> 00:42:28,920
very very very interesting sighting very

954
00:42:34,670 --> 00:42:31,440
you know multiple Witnesses about five

955
00:42:36,770 --> 00:42:34,680
of them into in total

956
00:42:39,170 --> 00:42:36,780
um so that they had seen it I got to

957
00:42:41,329 --> 00:42:39,180
talk to like I believe three

958
00:42:42,770 --> 00:42:41,339
of them the other two did not want to

959
00:42:45,530 --> 00:42:42,780
include the one who had broken up with a

960
00:42:46,849 --> 00:42:45,540
girlfriend did not want to talk at all

961
00:42:49,370 --> 00:42:46,859
um and that's something that's prevalent

962
00:42:51,530 --> 00:42:49,380
in the Hispanic Society they the belief

963
00:42:54,050 --> 00:42:51,540
that if you talk about it or you yeah

964
00:42:55,609 --> 00:42:54,060
you'll you'll sum it back up that you

965
00:42:57,109 --> 00:42:55,619
it'll know that you're talking about it

966
00:42:58,970 --> 00:42:57,119
and it'll come back

967
00:43:01,130 --> 00:42:58,980
after you

968
00:43:04,370 --> 00:43:01,140
um and also like I said they'll let you

969
00:43:06,650 --> 00:43:04,380
side is another thing a very prevalent

970
00:43:09,470 --> 00:43:06,660
um that it could be summoned by somebody

971
00:43:10,010 --> 00:43:09,480
who using witchcraft to

972
00:43:12,109 --> 00:43:10,020
um

973
00:43:15,109 --> 00:43:12,119
to go seek Vengeance against somebody

974
00:43:18,650 --> 00:43:15,119
who wronged you or slighted you or broke

975
00:43:23,990 --> 00:43:21,349
you know the the thing that impressed me

976
00:43:25,970 --> 00:43:24,000
about this sighting was you know you

977
00:43:27,849 --> 00:43:25,980
gave a pretty good description about

978
00:43:30,170 --> 00:43:27,859
where they were

979
00:43:32,329 --> 00:43:30,180
uh right behind the restaurant right

980
00:43:35,329 --> 00:43:32,339
there at the edge of the parking lot as

981
00:43:37,430 --> 00:43:35,339
opposed to the distance to the mall I

982
00:43:39,470 --> 00:43:37,440
mean to the flea market which I

983
00:43:41,870 --> 00:43:39,480
estimated from what I measured was like

984
00:43:44,809 --> 00:43:41,880
150 to 200 foot

985
00:43:47,390 --> 00:43:44,819
distance and they saw the red eyes at

986
00:43:49,790 --> 00:43:47,400
that distance so this thing must have

987
00:43:52,550 --> 00:43:49,800
really been putting it out there so that

988
00:43:53,930 --> 00:43:52,560
they they noticed it at that at that

989
00:43:56,210 --> 00:43:53,940
distance

990
00:43:58,130 --> 00:43:56,220
one of the things about the the witness

991
00:43:59,750 --> 00:43:58,140
is the one witness I did the very first

992
00:44:03,410 --> 00:43:59,760
witness I talked to

993
00:44:06,530 --> 00:44:03,420
kind of said something similar to it to

994
00:44:09,710 --> 00:44:06,540
what you said they it's like it wanted

995
00:44:10,790 --> 00:44:09,720
to be seen it was forcing them to notice

996
00:44:11,390 --> 00:44:10,800
it

997
00:44:14,030 --> 00:44:11,400
um

998
00:44:15,890 --> 00:44:14,040
so whether it was using magic or

999
00:44:19,790 --> 00:44:15,900
brujillo or something like that to make

1000
00:44:22,430 --> 00:44:19,800
it make itself known or to be seen it

1001
00:44:24,650 --> 00:44:22,440
went out of its way to be seen it went

1002
00:44:26,390 --> 00:44:24,660
out of its way to go after them to be

1003
00:44:29,750 --> 00:44:26,400
seen by them

1004
00:44:32,089 --> 00:44:29,760
um so yeah maybe it was it's got a way

1005
00:44:35,690 --> 00:44:32,099
to dial up the eyes or dial up the magic

1006
00:44:39,410 --> 00:44:35,700
and to be able to you know get you to to

1007
00:44:41,210 --> 00:44:39,420
notice it you know it in essence becomes

1008
00:44:42,050 --> 00:44:41,220
the 800 pound gorilla in the room you

1009
00:44:44,390 --> 00:44:42,060
know

1010
00:44:46,849 --> 00:44:44,400
um which I'm saying if you're seven feet

1011
00:44:48,349 --> 00:44:46,859
tall with a 20-foot wingspan and you're

1012
00:44:49,670 --> 00:44:48,359
sitting in little building in the middle

1013
00:44:50,630 --> 00:44:49,680
of the night yeah you're going to kind

1014
00:44:52,970 --> 00:44:50,640
of become

1015
00:44:55,790 --> 00:44:52,980
the girl in the room

1016
00:44:58,490 --> 00:44:55,800
um yeah I mean this is one thing that

1017
00:44:59,870 --> 00:44:58,500
has been fascinating to me from the very

1018
00:45:01,010 --> 00:44:59,880
beginning was

1019
00:45:04,490 --> 00:45:01,020
that

1020
00:45:07,430 --> 00:45:04,500
they they aren't shy I mean they seem to

1021
00:45:09,290 --> 00:45:07,440
beat out there for whoever is around to

1022
00:45:10,010 --> 00:45:09,300
see them

1023
00:45:11,510 --> 00:45:10,020
um

1024
00:45:14,210 --> 00:45:11,520
but another

1025
00:45:16,670 --> 00:45:14,220
put another caveat to that is a lot of

1026
00:45:19,790 --> 00:45:16,680
times these scene you know these things

1027
00:45:23,030 --> 00:45:19,800
are showing up in a crowd and on these

1028
00:45:26,210 --> 00:45:23,040
certain people are actually seeing it so

1029
00:45:28,790 --> 00:45:26,220
you know it's it's it's tough to uh it's

1030
00:45:30,530 --> 00:45:28,800
tough to understand you know it's and we

1031
00:45:32,510 --> 00:45:30,540
got a question

1032
00:45:34,670 --> 00:45:32,520
uh that kind of

1033
00:45:37,790 --> 00:45:34,680
that kind of goes along with that by

1034
00:45:39,530 --> 00:45:37,800
Dave McGinnis was uh what explanation do

1035
00:45:44,030 --> 00:45:39,540
each of you favor for what this

1036
00:45:45,650 --> 00:45:44,040
phenomena is what do you think Tobias

1037
00:45:49,030 --> 00:45:45,660
um well let's let's see if I can get

1038
00:45:52,670 --> 00:45:49,040
through an entire uh

1039
00:45:54,170 --> 00:45:52,680
causing me to lag so badly yeah it is

1040
00:45:55,970 --> 00:45:54,180
lagging

1041
00:45:58,550 --> 00:45:55,980
because I can still

1042
00:46:01,370 --> 00:45:58,560
yeah a little bit

1043
00:46:03,849 --> 00:46:01,380
I checked the internet every day it does

1044
00:46:06,910 --> 00:46:03,859
got a a connection

1045
00:46:08,990 --> 00:46:06,920
a lot of trouble with our

1046
00:46:13,250 --> 00:46:09,000
whatever reason

1047
00:46:16,910 --> 00:46:13,260
um okay so in terms of uh of what this

1048
00:46:18,530 --> 00:46:16,920
thing is I um my favorite particular

1049
00:46:24,770 --> 00:46:18,540
Expedition I've always been more

1050
00:46:27,890 --> 00:46:26,750
that I

1051
00:46:28,670 --> 00:46:27,900
guess

1052
00:46:32,990 --> 00:46:28,680
um

1053
00:46:36,290 --> 00:46:33,000
and yes we know so little about

1054
00:46:40,069 --> 00:46:36,300
the actual qualities of this thing are

1055
00:46:40,930 --> 00:46:40,079
or things of whatever they represent you

1056
00:46:47,089 --> 00:46:40,940
know

1057
00:46:49,010 --> 00:46:47,099
we can do is uh wrote things we managed

1058
00:46:52,190 --> 00:46:49,020
to do through so if I've got a

1059
00:46:55,609 --> 00:46:52,200
particular sighting and I'm able to rule

1060
00:46:56,809 --> 00:46:55,619
out misidentifications and uh the

1061
00:47:00,970 --> 00:46:56,819
witness

1062
00:47:05,870 --> 00:47:00,980
not just certain qualities that I would

1063
00:47:09,710 --> 00:47:05,880
basically require some paranormal uh

1064
00:47:12,230 --> 00:47:09,720
phenomenon to to be part of this and you

1065
00:47:15,829 --> 00:47:12,240
pretty comfortably say oh it wasn't

1066
00:47:17,750 --> 00:47:15,839
a bird or airport or hallucination or

1067
00:47:19,910 --> 00:47:17,760
something similar

1068
00:47:22,430 --> 00:47:19,920
um all things being

1069
00:47:24,410 --> 00:47:22,440
uh but after that we were left with now

1070
00:47:26,390 --> 00:47:24,420
I could start talking

1071
00:47:28,370 --> 00:47:26,400
talking about you know inter-dimensional

1072
00:47:31,250 --> 00:47:28,380
creatures or undiscovered bicycle

1073
00:47:36,050 --> 00:47:31,260
species but um at the end of the day we

1074
00:47:40,490 --> 00:47:36,060
don't want to make of determinations so

1075
00:47:42,710 --> 00:47:40,500
I I will say that in terms of favoring

1076
00:47:45,710 --> 00:47:42,720
walks over and up I don't particularly

1077
00:47:48,890 --> 00:47:45,720
favor uh the Undiscovered by species

1078
00:47:51,050 --> 00:47:48,900
hypothesis simply because so much of

1079
00:47:55,010 --> 00:47:51,060
what was described doesn't make sense

1080
00:47:57,410 --> 00:47:55,020
given our understanding of Alec and so I

1081
00:48:00,349 --> 00:47:57,420
I would think that if these do represent

1082
00:48:04,250 --> 00:48:00,359
most of other well-being then there must

1083
00:48:06,650 --> 00:48:04,260
be some paranormal uh aspect to it

1084
00:48:10,190 --> 00:48:06,660
um how are you Manuel

1085
00:48:13,550 --> 00:48:10,200
I have to agree with Tobias I mean

1086
00:48:17,270 --> 00:48:13,560
undiscovered biological entity would be

1087
00:48:20,210 --> 00:48:17,280
this would be groundbreaking I mean I

1088
00:48:22,550 --> 00:48:20,220
mean we have

1089
00:48:23,990 --> 00:48:22,560
granted we have only discovered I

1090
00:48:25,550 --> 00:48:24,000
believe in my belief that we've only

1091
00:48:28,069 --> 00:48:25,560
discovered a fraction of the creatures

1092
00:48:28,670 --> 00:48:28,079
that live on this planet but

1093
00:48:32,210 --> 00:48:28,680
um

1094
00:48:37,430 --> 00:48:32,220
can

1095
00:48:40,069 --> 00:48:37,440
kind of wingspan I believe between

1096
00:48:42,530 --> 00:48:40,079
Tobias and and you don't have to had

1097
00:48:45,589 --> 00:48:42,540
this discussion before a normal sized

1098
00:48:48,109 --> 00:48:45,599
human being you know let's say 150 170

1099
00:48:49,309 --> 00:48:48,119
pounds 20 foot wingspan is not going to

1100
00:48:51,530 --> 00:48:49,319
cut it

1101
00:48:54,410 --> 00:48:51,540
um or this this thing would have to be

1102
00:48:56,750 --> 00:48:54,420
so jacked it's almost so muscular to be

1103
00:48:59,990 --> 00:48:56,760
able to support those wings and to have

1104
00:49:01,670 --> 00:49:00,000
the power to fly Glide yes we could see

1105
00:49:03,770 --> 00:49:01,680
that but these things have shown power

1106
00:49:06,650 --> 00:49:03,780
to flight these things have shown that

1107
00:49:09,170 --> 00:49:06,660
they can lift jump basically vertically

1108
00:49:09,770 --> 00:49:09,180
into the air and take flight

1109
00:49:12,470 --> 00:49:09,780
um

1110
00:49:16,609 --> 00:49:12,480
you're not only defeating laws of

1111
00:49:19,069 --> 00:49:16,619
physics on multiple levels but you know

1112
00:49:22,849 --> 00:49:19,079
there's nothing yes we can go into the

1113
00:49:25,790 --> 00:49:22,859
whole B cam fly thing but this is a

1114
00:49:28,670 --> 00:49:25,800
creature that as a million times more

1115
00:49:30,170 --> 00:49:28,680
massive than a than a b

1116
00:49:32,809 --> 00:49:30,180
um flying all over the city of Chicago

1117
00:49:35,630 --> 00:49:32,819
and we're talking about defeating things

1118
00:49:37,970 --> 00:49:35,640
like wind current uh you know dodging

1119
00:49:38,630 --> 00:49:37,980
buildings and stuff like that

1120
00:49:40,670 --> 00:49:38,640
um

1121
00:49:43,809 --> 00:49:40,680
I would seem to think more

1122
00:49:47,510 --> 00:49:43,819
interdimensional maybe even

1123
00:49:48,710 --> 00:49:47,520
ultra-terrestrial extraterrestrial

1124
00:49:50,750 --> 00:49:48,720
um

1125
00:49:53,450 --> 00:49:50,760
you know we've already seen that you

1126
00:49:55,670 --> 00:49:53,460
know what the Unseen ones who want to do

1127
00:49:57,829 --> 00:49:55,680
um how they how they they've been here

1128
00:49:59,390 --> 00:49:57,839
forever they've been here since the

1129
00:50:00,109 --> 00:49:59,400
beginning

1130
00:50:03,950 --> 00:50:00,119
um

1131
00:50:05,329 --> 00:50:03,960
I believe Bernadette's one is uh has the

1132
00:50:07,010 --> 00:50:05,339
one that say that they've been here from

1133
00:50:07,970 --> 00:50:07,020
the beginning

1134
00:50:10,130 --> 00:50:07,980
um

1135
00:50:12,950 --> 00:50:10,140
so you know who's to say that they're

1136
00:50:14,569 --> 00:50:12,960
not you know writing they're jumping

1137
00:50:16,130 --> 00:50:14,579
between Dimensions from Dimension

1138
00:50:18,829 --> 00:50:16,140
Dimension Einstein's proven that

1139
00:50:20,750 --> 00:50:18,839
dimensions exist that they call that you

1140
00:50:22,670 --> 00:50:20,760
know they in importance in time and

1141
00:50:25,250 --> 00:50:22,680
Faith they do cross they do intersect

1142
00:50:26,809 --> 00:50:25,260
maybe that's what they use

1143
00:50:29,390 --> 00:50:26,819
um how many reports have we seen of

1144
00:50:31,609 --> 00:50:29,400
Bigfoots being pursued and also and just

1145
00:50:33,290 --> 00:50:31,619
up and disappearing canines up and

1146
00:50:36,170 --> 00:50:33,300
disappearing

1147
00:50:38,930 --> 00:50:36,180
um you know Grays or UFOs just up and

1148
00:50:41,270 --> 00:50:38,940
disappearing in front of you how do we

1149
00:50:44,030 --> 00:50:41,280
not know that they're they can't um

1150
00:50:46,430 --> 00:50:44,040
you know just summon a dimension maybe

1151
00:50:48,589 --> 00:50:46,440
even the faith you know or if you want

1152
00:50:52,790 --> 00:50:48,599
to get into Supernatural

1153
00:50:55,790 --> 00:50:52,800
um creatures but I don't buy the whole

1154
00:50:56,329 --> 00:50:55,800
it's a it's an Undiscovered species

1155
00:50:58,609 --> 00:50:56,339
um

1156
00:51:01,250 --> 00:50:58,619
because then that leaves a whole you

1157
00:51:02,170 --> 00:51:01,260
know Bigfoot canines

1158
00:51:05,089 --> 00:51:02,180
um

1159
00:51:07,069 --> 00:51:05,099
mermaids you know as a possibility even

1160
00:51:09,890 --> 00:51:07,079
that just doesn't seem like it's it

1161
00:51:11,690 --> 00:51:09,900
works so I'm more inclined to believe

1162
00:51:16,010 --> 00:51:11,700
the interdimensional ultra terrestrial

1163
00:51:17,089 --> 00:51:16,020
maybe even extraterrestrial yeah

1164
00:51:19,309 --> 00:51:17,099
um

1165
00:51:21,069 --> 00:51:19,319
you know after all everything we've seen

1166
00:51:23,569 --> 00:51:21,079
all the people we've talked to

1167
00:51:25,910 --> 00:51:23,579
everything that's been reported to us

1168
00:51:29,030 --> 00:51:25,920
and you know we've been pondering this

1169
00:51:33,370 --> 00:51:29,040
we've been looking for excuses in Rhyme

1170
00:51:36,650 --> 00:51:33,380
or Reason for it since 2011 and uh

1171
00:51:38,870 --> 00:51:36,660
honestly the only thing I can really see

1172
00:51:41,390 --> 00:51:38,880
definitively I believe

1173
00:51:43,210 --> 00:51:41,400
is that it's it's there's a supernatural

1174
00:51:46,670 --> 00:51:43,220
aspect to it

1175
00:51:48,650 --> 00:51:46,680
and I I do believe that most Cryptids

1176
00:51:50,630 --> 00:51:48,660
are like that because there always seems

1177
00:51:53,870 --> 00:51:50,640
to be something

1178
00:51:55,910 --> 00:51:53,880
involved with most Crypt is like Bigfoot

1179
00:51:59,809 --> 00:51:55,920
cryptic canines

1180
00:52:01,490 --> 00:51:59,819
Mothman where it's

1181
00:52:03,770 --> 00:52:01,500
they're just something that's

1182
00:52:04,609 --> 00:52:03,780
unexplained

1183
00:52:06,950 --> 00:52:04,619
um

1184
00:52:10,490 --> 00:52:06,960
are they interdimensional I I think

1185
00:52:13,790 --> 00:52:10,500
there's a possibility that they are

1186
00:52:15,829 --> 00:52:13,800
uh can we prove that now not yet I don't

1187
00:52:18,470 --> 00:52:15,839
think so but I I'm not saying that we

1188
00:52:21,829 --> 00:52:18,480
won't be able to I think we will be able

1189
00:52:23,390 --> 00:52:21,839
to eventually maybe you you guys me and

1190
00:52:25,069 --> 00:52:23,400
we're not going to do that maybe

1191
00:52:26,270 --> 00:52:25,079
somebody else will have to do that at

1192
00:52:29,750 --> 00:52:26,280
some point

1193
00:52:31,910 --> 00:52:29,760
but uh you know

1194
00:52:34,010 --> 00:52:31,920
you know when people ask me this the

1195
00:52:35,510 --> 00:52:34,020
only thing I could tell them is I I do

1196
00:52:38,630 --> 00:52:35,520
believe that it's definitely a

1197
00:52:40,370 --> 00:52:38,640
supernatural being of some type

1198
00:52:42,890 --> 00:52:40,380
and that's the most I can that's the

1199
00:52:44,390 --> 00:52:42,900
best I can say at this point

1200
00:52:45,950 --> 00:52:44,400
you know we've looked at the occult

1201
00:52:47,569 --> 00:52:45,960
we've looked at

1202
00:52:54,410 --> 00:52:47,579
uh

1203
00:52:57,829 --> 00:52:54,420
you know something that's been summoned

1204
00:53:01,309 --> 00:52:57,839
uh We've looked at the um

1205
00:53:03,230 --> 00:53:01,319
we've looked at the uh uh particle

1206
00:53:05,450 --> 00:53:03,240
accelerator thing

1207
00:53:07,490 --> 00:53:05,460
without their Fermi Labs we looked at

1208
00:53:10,190 --> 00:53:07,500
all kinds of different things and really

1209
00:53:13,370 --> 00:53:10,200
I I don't think we we've come much

1210
00:53:17,089 --> 00:53:13,380
closer to understanding other than this

1211
00:53:20,150 --> 00:53:17,099
the whole uh unseen one

1212
00:53:22,670 --> 00:53:20,160
uh incidents that were reported to us

1213
00:53:24,710 --> 00:53:22,680
about a year and a half ago uh

1214
00:53:30,470 --> 00:53:24,720
I don't know

1215
00:53:32,089 --> 00:53:30,480
you know P I guess people expect us to

1216
00:53:33,770 --> 00:53:32,099
have answers to this but you know at

1217
00:53:39,530 --> 00:53:33,780
this point we just don't really have

1218
00:53:47,930 --> 00:53:43,390
so you guys agree with that yes

1219
00:53:50,390 --> 00:53:47,940
I like to say that uh I mean and this is

1220
00:53:51,710 --> 00:53:50,400
true for

1221
00:53:54,710 --> 00:53:51,720
both

1222
00:53:58,069 --> 00:53:54,720
kind of crazy people

1223
00:54:00,290 --> 00:53:58,079
tell them that have definitive answers

1224
00:54:04,250 --> 00:54:00,300
for

1225
00:54:08,089 --> 00:54:04,260
you know if we did if it was noon

1226
00:54:10,609 --> 00:54:08,099
um you know could major at Universe you

1227
00:54:11,870 --> 00:54:10,619
know would be uh major scientific

1228
00:54:15,950 --> 00:54:11,880
studies

1229
00:54:17,630 --> 00:54:15,960
um you know it would be it would be if

1230
00:54:18,290 --> 00:54:17,640
it was knowable

1231
00:54:20,630 --> 00:54:18,300
um

1232
00:54:25,490 --> 00:54:20,640
that

1233
00:54:28,670 --> 00:54:25,500
at this point of

1234
00:54:31,430 --> 00:54:28,680
being understood that level is

1235
00:54:33,890 --> 00:54:31,440
um it's something of a huge threat so

1236
00:54:35,450 --> 00:54:33,900
yeah of course I don't have answers

1237
00:54:38,089 --> 00:54:35,460
anybody who tells that they do have

1238
00:54:41,270 --> 00:54:38,099
answers uh that's these red flag don't

1239
00:54:42,950 --> 00:54:41,280
trust that person absolutely yeah I I

1240
00:54:45,109 --> 00:54:42,960
I'm in the same boat with you because

1241
00:54:47,329 --> 00:54:45,119
you know occasionally you will get a

1242
00:54:49,430 --> 00:54:47,339
witness who will or somebody who's not a

1243
00:54:51,290 --> 00:54:49,440
witness and tell you well I know exactly

1244
00:54:53,030 --> 00:54:51,300
what they are well you know I'm done

1245
00:54:57,049 --> 00:54:53,040
talking to that person because they

1246
00:54:58,910 --> 00:54:57,059
don't know what it is oh yeah yeah uh I

1247
00:55:00,829 --> 00:54:58,920
do have another question here from well

1248
00:55:03,170 --> 00:55:00,839
it's not really a question state which

1249
00:55:05,210 --> 00:55:03,180
is it's interesting uh summer nights and

1250
00:55:07,790 --> 00:55:05,220
neon lights I'm surprised nobody hasn't

1251
00:55:10,910 --> 00:55:07,800
taken a pop shot at this thing it is

1252
00:55:13,670 --> 00:55:10,920
Chicago yeah absolutely I haven't heard

1253
00:55:16,609 --> 00:55:13,680
of anybody taking a shot at it yet

1254
00:55:18,890 --> 00:55:16,619
uh and I'm not advocating somebody do

1255
00:55:23,930 --> 00:55:18,900
that but

1256
00:55:28,130 --> 00:55:27,049
I mean this thing is seen all over the

1257
00:55:28,970 --> 00:55:28,140
city

1258
00:55:32,690 --> 00:55:28,980
um

1259
00:55:35,270 --> 00:55:32,700
I can speak from you know from the the

1260
00:55:37,910 --> 00:55:35,280
perspective of uh the little village and

1261
00:55:39,290 --> 00:55:37,920
uh other sightings in that those areas

1262
00:55:42,230 --> 00:55:39,300
at um

1263
00:55:45,470 --> 00:55:42,240
No One's Gonna Take a pot shot at it in

1264
00:55:47,089 --> 00:55:45,480
in a little bit most of us grew up with

1265
00:55:49,130 --> 00:55:47,099
our grandmothers telling us how these

1266
00:55:52,430 --> 00:55:49,140
things were and how they worked and how

1267
00:55:54,530 --> 00:55:52,440
the vindictive these these Spirits were

1268
00:55:57,109 --> 00:55:54,540
um drawing attention to yourself and

1269
00:56:00,109 --> 00:55:57,119
drawing its attention to you

1270
00:56:02,089 --> 00:56:00,119
um would probably be one of those few

1271
00:56:04,790 --> 00:56:02,099
things that you don't want to do with

1272
00:56:06,770 --> 00:56:04,800
kind of like watching a bear with your

1273
00:56:08,990 --> 00:56:06,780
22 card room decided to take a pot shot

1274
00:56:10,490 --> 00:56:09,000
at the Bears and you put on attention to

1275
00:56:11,930 --> 00:56:10,500
yourself

1276
00:56:13,190 --> 00:56:11,940
um no telling what's going to happen to

1277
00:56:14,210 --> 00:56:13,200
you

1278
00:56:17,270 --> 00:56:14,220
um

1279
00:56:19,790 --> 00:56:17,280
in Chicago after all I mean you hear

1280
00:56:22,250 --> 00:56:19,800
about it every day of the week you know

1281
00:56:25,190 --> 00:56:22,260
multiple times a day a week

1282
00:56:28,010 --> 00:56:25,200
um I'm surprised no one has but even if

1283
00:56:31,970 --> 00:56:28,020
they do it's it's again it's Chicago

1284
00:56:35,990 --> 00:56:31,980
it's just another Tuesday night you know

1285
00:56:37,970 --> 00:56:36,000
yep uh Thomas Carroll's asked uh could

1286
00:56:40,430 --> 00:56:37,980
these beings be drawn to areas of

1287
00:56:43,430 --> 00:56:40,440
well-known tragedies like the Silver

1288
00:56:45,890 --> 00:56:43,440
Bridge collapse and the Chicago Fire

1289
00:56:48,170 --> 00:56:45,900
uh while maybe not harbingers of Doom

1290
00:56:51,049 --> 00:56:48,180
but could be could they be drawn to the

1291
00:56:53,390 --> 00:56:51,059
area for that I I guess it's possible

1292
00:56:56,809 --> 00:56:53,400
again there this is something else we

1293
00:56:59,930 --> 00:56:56,819
have thought about and um

1294
00:57:03,609 --> 00:56:59,940
and I don't I don't prescribe to the The

1295
00:57:07,130 --> 00:57:03,619
Harbinger thing but uh our Theory

1296
00:57:10,069 --> 00:57:07,140
uh but who knows it may very well you

1297
00:57:10,970 --> 00:57:10,079
know Chicago has a very deep paranormal

1298
00:57:13,849 --> 00:57:10,980
history

1299
00:57:16,490 --> 00:57:13,859
a lot of UFO sightings you know the

1300
00:57:18,410 --> 00:57:16,500
Upper Midwest is well known for Avian

1301
00:57:20,390 --> 00:57:18,420
Cryptids

1302
00:57:22,849 --> 00:57:20,400
so I mean maybe there's just something

1303
00:57:24,890 --> 00:57:22,859
related to that I don't know what do you

1304
00:57:29,569 --> 00:57:24,900
guys think

1305
00:57:32,870 --> 00:57:29,579
I think the issue with meaning that bra

1306
00:57:36,109 --> 00:57:32,880
brush is sort of the issue that that uh

1307
00:57:39,170 --> 00:57:36,119
arises whenever you did because I'll

1308
00:57:41,870 --> 00:57:39,180
argue an example like you hear a lot of

1309
00:57:45,950 --> 00:57:41,880
people talking about

1310
00:57:47,109 --> 00:57:45,960
to water to cite is right over the

1311
00:57:50,809 --> 00:57:47,119
middle

1312
00:57:51,950 --> 00:57:50,819
every year everywhere you wouldn't have

1313
00:58:02,809 --> 00:57:51,960
a

1314
00:58:09,250 --> 00:58:02,819
um

1315
00:58:15,230 --> 00:58:09,260
because there is a correlation uh

1316
00:58:18,470 --> 00:58:15,240
uh in my causation and I I think

1317
00:58:20,809 --> 00:58:18,480
with the idea of uh winged humanoids and

1318
00:58:24,530 --> 00:58:20,819
and tragedy um

1319
00:58:27,829 --> 00:58:24,540
and really we can we can invert that and

1320
00:58:29,990 --> 00:58:27,839
see why it doesn't

1321
00:58:32,690 --> 00:58:30,000
early work you know think about all of

1322
00:58:34,910 --> 00:58:32,700
the the treaties that occur every day I

1323
00:58:37,069 --> 00:58:34,920
mean think of all the the major tragedy

1324
00:58:39,410 --> 00:58:37,079
that have occurred

1325
00:58:41,630 --> 00:58:39,420
um throughout history

1326
00:58:45,829 --> 00:58:41,640
um not involving weighing two of us for

1327
00:58:47,210 --> 00:58:45,839
for the particular reason uh and so the

1328
00:58:50,089 --> 00:58:47,220
idea

1329
00:58:52,569 --> 00:58:50,099
um are particularly uh attracted to to

1330
00:58:55,490 --> 00:58:52,579
tragedy it doesn't doesn't

1331
00:58:56,870 --> 00:58:55,500
necessarily hold up under uh scrutiny

1332
00:59:01,190 --> 00:58:56,880
you know we don't have any evidence

1333
00:59:03,710 --> 00:59:01,200
right and beyond that uh it isn't

1334
00:59:06,289 --> 00:59:03,720
necessarily really make

1335
00:59:08,809 --> 00:59:06,299
it it just doesn't really stand on its

1336
00:59:12,230 --> 00:59:08,819
its unfortunately

1337
00:59:14,569 --> 00:59:12,240
um you know you could argue probably a

1338
00:59:17,870 --> 00:59:14,579
lot of the people involved in the states

1339
00:59:21,710 --> 00:59:17,880
had suffered some Prejudice

1340
00:59:25,430 --> 00:59:21,720
um but who hasn't and uh again that in

1341
00:59:27,049 --> 00:59:25,440
and of itself really imply any causal

1342
00:59:29,510 --> 00:59:27,059
relationship

1343
00:59:32,089 --> 00:59:29,520
um so yeah I know I I just I don't think

1344
00:59:35,510 --> 00:59:32,099
there's really anything in any way

1345
00:59:37,569 --> 00:59:35,520
honestly uh between those ideas

1346
00:59:41,150 --> 00:59:37,579
um I think that more than anything

1347
00:59:45,190 --> 00:59:41,160
why that is so persistent is the

1348
00:59:50,650 --> 00:59:45,200
hilarity of uh kiel's Mothman Prophecies

1349
00:59:56,990 --> 00:59:50,660
perfected the idea 50 years ago and um

1350
00:59:58,750 --> 00:59:57,000
trenched in the case now when that

1351
01:00:01,970 --> 00:59:58,760
um people are just constantly looking

1352
01:00:09,890 --> 01:00:01,980
and uh and honestly I don't think

1353
01:00:15,470 --> 01:00:12,950
all right to buy screws up on us

1354
01:00:17,690 --> 01:00:15,480
oh am I serious thousand right now yeah

1355
01:00:20,089 --> 01:00:17,700
you're all right now I decide but it did

1356
01:00:22,190 --> 01:00:20,099
freeze there for a bit anyway let me get

1357
01:00:25,910 --> 01:00:22,200
to these other two sightings

1358
01:00:27,049 --> 01:00:25,920
um other reports that we that were more

1359
01:00:29,270 --> 01:00:27,059
recent

1360
01:00:33,650 --> 01:00:29,280
uh

1361
01:00:35,690 --> 01:00:33,660
we had the now this I got actually for

1362
01:00:39,230 --> 01:00:35,700
the past week I I had two of them

1363
01:00:43,430 --> 01:00:39,240
reported to me one was a seven foot tall

1364
01:00:47,210 --> 01:00:43,440
batwing humanoid over uh in Pilsen

1365
01:00:49,130 --> 01:00:47,220
which was uh actually seen on a an

1366
01:00:52,250 --> 01:00:49,140
overpass

1367
01:00:54,170 --> 01:00:52,260
which was at South Laflin Street and

1368
01:00:56,150 --> 01:00:54,180
West 16th Street

1369
01:00:58,609 --> 01:00:56,160
where this woman was visiting her

1370
01:00:59,870 --> 01:00:58,619
boyfriend at night and she encountered a

1371
01:01:02,690 --> 01:00:59,880
seven foot

1372
01:01:05,870 --> 01:01:02,700
tall winged humanoid

1373
01:01:08,210 --> 01:01:05,880
I talked to her then um

1374
01:01:10,609 --> 01:01:08,220
she said I had her send me a statement

1375
01:01:12,589 --> 01:01:10,619
she said she had just parked her car

1376
01:01:16,210 --> 01:01:12,599
it's your boyfriend at the time in the

1377
01:01:18,589 --> 01:01:16,220
Pilsen Community it was uh October 2019

1378
01:01:19,910 --> 01:01:18,599
I parked almost two blocks from the

1379
01:01:23,270 --> 01:01:19,920
building

1380
01:01:25,670 --> 01:01:23,280
I was really late and I was walking past

1381
01:01:28,670 --> 01:01:25,680
under the bridge this bridge standing

1382
01:01:32,210 --> 01:01:28,680
underneath was a seven foot tall

1383
01:01:34,789 --> 01:01:32,220
humanoid but veiny bat like wings

1384
01:01:37,910 --> 01:01:34,799
a face towards the wall not directly

1385
01:01:40,789 --> 01:01:37,920
staring at me but was just standing she

1386
01:01:43,010 --> 01:01:40,799
got very creeped out

1387
01:01:46,430 --> 01:01:43,020
um started walking to where she needed

1388
01:01:50,150 --> 01:01:46,440
to be but when she looked back

1389
01:01:51,589 --> 01:01:50,160
uh you know she saw it again years later

1390
01:01:53,030 --> 01:01:51,599
she said she remember seeing the

1391
01:01:56,150 --> 01:01:53,040
creature

1392
01:01:58,010 --> 01:01:56,160
and decided to do some research turns

1393
01:02:00,349 --> 01:01:58,020
out many people in Chicago of course you

1394
01:02:02,569 --> 01:02:00,359
know she just found out about it

1395
01:02:06,230 --> 01:02:02,579
and you know when I talked to her she

1396
01:02:08,270 --> 01:02:06,240
was she was very forthright about it and

1397
01:02:10,010 --> 01:02:08,280
she does still seem to be somewhat

1398
01:02:12,589 --> 01:02:10,020
affected by it which a lot of these

1399
01:02:14,450 --> 01:02:12,599
Witnesses have now she don't she doesn't

1400
01:02:17,690 --> 01:02:14,460
live in Chicago anymore

1401
01:02:20,770 --> 01:02:17,700
uh she actually lives in Michigan

1402
01:02:23,870 --> 01:02:20,780
so uh that was an interesting sighting

1403
01:02:26,329 --> 01:02:23,880
uh of course we get these

1404
01:02:28,190 --> 01:02:26,339
incidental sightings from from a lot of

1405
01:02:31,609 --> 01:02:28,200
witnesses and and the one I just

1406
01:02:35,630 --> 01:02:31,619
received a few days after that

1407
01:02:39,230 --> 01:02:35,640
was over in Calumet City and in a which

1408
01:02:43,370 --> 01:02:39,240
is an area very near the Indiana

1409
01:02:45,589 --> 01:02:43,380
Illinois state line and uh it's an area

1410
01:02:47,210 --> 01:02:45,599
where we've had a lot of sightings uh

1411
01:02:49,849 --> 01:02:47,220
various sightings

1412
01:02:52,069 --> 01:02:49,859
this witness was driving into Calumet

1413
01:02:54,410 --> 01:02:52,079
City Illinois from Hammond Indiana

1414
01:02:56,450 --> 01:02:54,420
where she observed an unknown figure in

1415
01:02:59,750 --> 01:02:56,460
front of her the humanoid unfurled its

1416
01:03:02,510 --> 01:02:59,760
wings and flew over her vehicle

1417
01:03:04,970 --> 01:03:02,520
she said it was January 14th of this

1418
01:03:07,130 --> 01:03:04,980
year 2023

1419
01:03:10,010 --> 01:03:07,140
she was on her way to work approximately

1420
01:03:11,390 --> 01:03:10,020
5 30 to 5 45 in the morning it was a

1421
01:03:13,069 --> 01:03:11,400
white rain and dark

1422
01:03:16,549 --> 01:03:13,079
she was coming from Hammond Indiana

1423
01:03:18,890 --> 01:03:16,559
heading west on 165th which turns into

1424
01:03:21,650 --> 01:03:18,900
159th

1425
01:03:24,170 --> 01:03:21,660
I was between State Street and Wentworth

1426
01:03:27,049 --> 01:03:24,180
Avenue in Calumet City Illinois

1427
01:03:29,270 --> 01:03:27,059
so when I saw it I was now in Illinois

1428
01:03:31,970 --> 01:03:29,280
after passing State Street

1429
01:03:34,069 --> 01:03:31,980
I was in the left lane and there was

1430
01:03:36,349 --> 01:03:34,079
only one car in front of me in the right

1431
01:03:37,609 --> 01:03:36,359
lane this car was about six car Lanes

1432
01:03:39,530 --> 01:03:37,619
ahead of me

1433
01:03:42,530 --> 01:03:39,540
it's a wooded area and I saw something

1434
01:03:44,270 --> 01:03:42,540
alongside the car in front of me by the

1435
01:03:46,670 --> 01:03:44,280
rear

1436
01:03:48,950 --> 01:03:46,680
now this thing must been hanging on to

1437
01:03:51,230 --> 01:03:48,960
the car or was flying I don't know I

1438
01:03:52,130 --> 01:03:51,240
don't I don't really understand what it

1439
01:03:54,589 --> 01:03:52,140
was doing

1440
01:03:57,230 --> 01:03:54,599
uh she said she always watches for deer

1441
01:03:59,030 --> 01:03:57,240
and raccoon and possums in that area

1442
01:04:01,370 --> 01:03:59,040
and uh

1443
01:04:04,130 --> 01:04:01,380
she said she looked harder and watched

1444
01:04:06,289 --> 01:04:04,140
and thought it to herself

1445
01:04:08,450 --> 01:04:06,299
that it was a deer

1446
01:04:10,490 --> 01:04:08,460
and it was running fast

1447
01:04:12,890 --> 01:04:10,500
but then I realized there's no way as a

1448
01:04:15,589 --> 01:04:12,900
deer it was much bigger

1449
01:04:18,109 --> 01:04:15,599
uh like I said it was a light rain dark

1450
01:04:20,030 --> 01:04:18,119
and then my wipers on I started to speed

1451
01:04:22,309 --> 01:04:20,040
up because I had no clue what it was at

1452
01:04:25,190 --> 01:04:22,319
this point so as I got close or whatever

1453
01:04:26,390 --> 01:04:25,200
it was went directly behind the car in

1454
01:04:29,210 --> 01:04:26,400
front of me

1455
01:04:32,990 --> 01:04:29,220
and suddenly had this huge wingspan and

1456
01:04:34,849 --> 01:04:33,000
went up and over my car

1457
01:04:37,910 --> 01:04:34,859
she said she talked about it for weeks

1458
01:04:40,549 --> 01:04:37,920
telling everyone uh how it was very

1459
01:04:42,770 --> 01:04:40,559
unsettling and and all I thought about

1460
01:04:43,789 --> 01:04:42,780
you know I thought about ever since that

1461
01:04:45,710 --> 01:04:43,799
morning

1462
01:04:47,990 --> 01:04:45,720
says I take the same route to work

1463
01:04:50,270 --> 01:04:48,000
Monday through Saturday every day

1464
01:04:53,210 --> 01:04:50,280
and she thinks about it each time she

1465
01:04:55,970 --> 01:04:53,220
goes through there so

1466
01:04:57,470 --> 01:04:55,980
again you know this is an area where you

1467
01:04:58,849 --> 01:04:57,480
know of course but we've got many areas

1468
01:05:00,589 --> 01:04:58,859
throughout the

1469
01:05:02,630 --> 01:05:00,599
Chicagoland area where these settings

1470
01:05:06,410 --> 01:05:02,640
are showing up

1471
01:05:08,089 --> 01:05:06,420
so um it's here we do have we do have

1472
01:05:11,210 --> 01:05:08,099
another question more of a statement

1473
01:05:13,250 --> 01:05:11,220
from vocal moth vocal Moss yeah

1474
01:05:15,109 --> 01:05:13,260
uh this is more a statement than a

1475
01:05:17,990 --> 01:05:15,119
question an entire Community like

1476
01:05:20,329 --> 01:05:18,000
Bensenville was uprooted due to the

1477
01:05:21,710 --> 01:05:20,339
modernization of O'Hare Airport now he's

1478
01:05:23,569 --> 01:05:21,720
talking about

1479
01:05:25,609 --> 01:05:23,579
why

1480
01:05:28,010 --> 01:05:25,619
maybe they're showing up because we've

1481
01:05:30,170 --> 01:05:28,020
had a lot of settings in Rosemont

1482
01:05:32,510 --> 01:05:30,180
which is on the east side of the airport

1483
01:05:33,829 --> 01:05:32,520
and Bensonville is on the southwest side

1484
01:05:36,190 --> 01:05:33,839
of the airport we've had a lot of

1485
01:05:39,770 --> 01:05:36,200
sightings there

1486
01:05:41,150 --> 01:05:39,780
just off of uh the airport property so

1487
01:05:43,250 --> 01:05:41,160
maybe there is a connection there

1488
01:05:44,990 --> 01:05:43,260
somehow

1489
01:05:46,910 --> 01:05:45,000
kind of like your button you're

1490
01:05:48,410 --> 01:05:46,920
disturbing their habitat and now you're

1491
01:05:51,470 --> 01:05:48,420
using more

1492
01:05:53,750 --> 01:05:51,480
of them that could be I mean Bentonville

1493
01:05:54,829 --> 01:05:53,760
has seen quite a lot of sightings we've

1494
01:05:58,130 --> 01:05:54,839
had

1495
01:05:59,750 --> 01:05:58,140
rash of sightings coming out of Benson

1496
01:06:00,289 --> 01:05:59,760
bill

1497
01:06:02,270 --> 01:06:00,299
um

1498
01:06:04,190 --> 01:06:02,280
I think we've had eight sightings in

1499
01:06:07,430 --> 01:06:04,200
Bensenville area all together and some

1500
01:06:10,849 --> 01:06:07,440
very close up sightings at that yeah

1501
01:06:12,650 --> 01:06:10,859
um so yeah it could be I mean that that

1502
01:06:16,430 --> 01:06:12,660
um I can speak from experience because I

1503
01:06:18,829 --> 01:06:16,440
also do uh Uber and that that whole area

1504
01:06:20,569 --> 01:06:18,839
around the airport is just

1505
01:06:22,670 --> 01:06:20,579
um it's a mess

1506
01:06:24,349 --> 01:06:22,680
um they're putting them they're putting

1507
01:06:28,190 --> 01:06:24,359
in a new Expressway they're they're

1508
01:06:30,710 --> 01:06:28,200
doing all sorts of modernization it's

1509
01:06:33,829 --> 01:06:30,720
construction on top of construction on

1510
01:06:36,950 --> 01:06:33,839
top of construction and a lot of this

1511
01:06:39,650 --> 01:06:36,960
area that's been was previously enforced

1512
01:06:42,650 --> 01:06:39,660
preserve is now being torn up yeah

1513
01:06:44,390 --> 01:06:42,660
um to make way for this stuff and a lot

1514
01:06:46,370 --> 01:06:44,400
of sightings have come in from that area

1515
01:06:48,770 --> 01:06:46,380
quite a lot of sightings have come in

1516
01:06:51,650 --> 01:06:48,780
from that area construction workers and

1517
01:06:52,910 --> 01:06:51,660
and whatnot in that area seeing seeing

1518
01:06:55,250 --> 01:06:52,920
things maybe

1519
01:06:58,730 --> 01:06:55,260
we're disturbing something

1520
01:07:00,950 --> 01:06:58,740
right there so I I you know I you know I

1521
01:07:02,630 --> 01:07:00,960
I I didn't really think about that you

1522
01:07:04,670 --> 01:07:02,640
know we have had a lot of sightings in

1523
01:07:07,549 --> 01:07:04,680
these green areas these preserve areas

1524
01:07:09,770 --> 01:07:07,559
of particularly just people calling them

1525
01:07:12,529 --> 01:07:09,780
human noise not necessarily having

1526
01:07:14,870 --> 01:07:12,539
something with wings

1527
01:07:16,849 --> 01:07:14,880
um but there have been sightings and of

1528
01:07:19,750 --> 01:07:16,859
course Chicago is well known for all

1529
01:07:23,690 --> 01:07:19,760
their green areas that preserve areas

1530
01:07:25,970 --> 01:07:23,700
maybe you know maybe the airport you

1531
01:07:27,589 --> 01:07:25,980
know maybe the airport did disturb

1532
01:07:29,690 --> 01:07:27,599
something when they even first put the

1533
01:07:32,210 --> 01:07:29,700
airport in there

1534
01:07:33,650 --> 01:07:32,220
yeah I mean it was an orchard for a

1535
01:07:36,109 --> 01:07:33,660
while for the longest time before it

1536
01:07:37,849 --> 01:07:36,119
became an airport and now they're even

1537
01:07:39,410 --> 01:07:37,859
talking they just had it on the news

1538
01:07:42,049 --> 01:07:39,420
they're talking about as part of the

1539
01:07:43,430 --> 01:07:42,059
expansion with this new Expressway

1540
01:07:46,250 --> 01:07:43,440
um

1541
01:07:48,710 --> 01:07:46,260
there was a massive there was an airline

1542
01:07:50,510 --> 01:07:48,720
uh that crashed here I figure even in

1543
01:07:52,789 --> 01:07:50,520
the 80s

1544
01:07:56,450 --> 01:07:52,799
um as a really bad airline crash it took

1545
01:07:58,370 --> 01:07:56,460
lost an engine on takeoff but that area

1546
01:08:00,770 --> 01:07:58,380
has been basically a forest preserve

1547
01:08:03,170 --> 01:08:00,780
since the day that since the day of that

1548
01:08:05,930 --> 01:08:03,180
crash the only thing that's there now is

1549
01:08:08,390 --> 01:08:05,940
on a Chicago Police Department uh canine

1550
01:08:11,089 --> 01:08:08,400
training facility but behind that whole

1551
01:08:13,370 --> 01:08:11,099
area where the plane actually landed

1552
01:08:15,829 --> 01:08:13,380
um and killed all those people

1553
01:08:19,669 --> 01:08:15,839
um has been left basically undisturbed

1554
01:08:21,890 --> 01:08:19,679
since that accident and now it's being

1555
01:08:24,829 --> 01:08:21,900
torn up because this new Expressway is

1556
01:08:27,169 --> 01:08:24,839
coming through so maybe that's something

1557
01:08:28,010 --> 01:08:27,179
that could have been disturbing that'd

1558
01:08:29,689 --> 01:08:28,020
be

1559
01:08:31,070 --> 01:08:29,699
a lot of people are you know saying that

1560
01:08:33,050 --> 01:08:31,080
that's sacred ground they should just

1561
01:08:36,229 --> 01:08:33,060
leave it alone and you know in memory of

1562
01:08:38,470 --> 01:08:36,239
it nothing's ever been built there uh

1563
01:08:41,450 --> 01:08:38,480
and now now do you have this massive

1564
01:08:43,910 --> 01:08:41,460
Expressway coming through

1565
01:08:45,470 --> 01:08:43,920
um maybe that's something that's

1566
01:08:47,990 --> 01:08:45,480
you know get Disturbed and it's

1567
01:08:51,410 --> 01:08:48,000
manifesting itself this way and he also

1568
01:08:53,450 --> 01:08:51,420
had they also dug up a a uh well they'd

1569
01:08:55,849 --> 01:08:53,460
moved to a cemetery there too there were

1570
01:08:58,849 --> 01:08:55,859
two cemeteries there

1571
01:09:00,650 --> 01:08:58,859
um and rest even still there but

1572
01:09:02,209 --> 01:09:00,660
it's interesting that a lot of the

1573
01:09:04,910 --> 01:09:02,219
sightings that we have had on the

1574
01:09:07,669 --> 01:09:04,920
property have been near that Cemetery

1575
01:09:09,050 --> 01:09:07,679
yeah I think Rest Haven was going to be

1576
01:09:11,209 --> 01:09:09,060
one of those where it's not going to go

1577
01:09:13,309 --> 01:09:11,219
anywhere because up to its location yeah

1578
01:09:16,490 --> 01:09:13,319
and about it the way but it's wedged

1579
01:09:19,550 --> 01:09:16,500
between two massive uh terminals

1580
01:09:21,890 --> 01:09:19,560
um but even Tobias who's been out there

1581
01:09:23,510 --> 01:09:21,900
before he came to test it you might be

1582
01:09:25,189 --> 01:09:23,520
in one of the largest airports in the

1583
01:09:26,749 --> 01:09:25,199
world in front of the busiest but if

1584
01:09:29,809 --> 01:09:26,759
you're out there and it's at night

1585
01:09:32,809 --> 01:09:29,819
you're you're basically alone

1586
01:09:35,150 --> 01:09:32,819
um there is nothing out there it is it

1587
01:09:37,070 --> 01:09:35,160
is very uh that's where I had my first

1588
01:09:42,530 --> 01:09:37,080
encounter within team once it's there

1589
01:09:45,229 --> 01:09:42,540
and you are basically alone in that area

1590
01:09:47,209 --> 01:09:45,239
yeah it is uh it is remarkably isolated

1591
01:09:49,849 --> 01:09:47,219
is my like internet connection better

1592
01:09:51,410 --> 01:09:49,859
now because I noticed yeah it is I feel

1593
01:09:53,809 --> 01:09:51,420
so stupid there was this weird thing

1594
01:09:55,550 --> 01:09:53,819
where it was connecting to this extender

1595
01:09:57,830 --> 01:09:55,560
that I have on like the other side of

1596
01:09:59,470 --> 01:09:57,840
the house and so like I yeah I know

1597
01:10:01,910 --> 01:09:59,480
right

1598
01:10:03,650 --> 01:10:01,920
so it's like connected to the actual

1599
01:10:06,350 --> 01:10:03,660
like main internet and not like the the

1600
01:10:08,750 --> 01:10:06,360
wireless like extender that's rooms away

1601
01:10:11,930 --> 01:10:08,760
so it should be much much better now so

1602
01:10:13,669 --> 01:10:11,940
sorry about that but that's okay hey it

1603
01:10:16,189 --> 01:10:13,679
happens to all of us man I'm telling you

1604
01:10:21,950 --> 01:10:16,199
right

1605
01:10:25,310 --> 01:10:21,960
O'Hare in terms of some of the the

1606
01:10:27,950 --> 01:10:25,320
isolation I mean it really is like it's

1607
01:10:30,290 --> 01:10:27,960
it's it's like its own small town and

1608
01:10:32,270 --> 01:10:30,300
like any small town it's got a little

1609
01:10:34,550 --> 01:10:32,280
out of the way areas

1610
01:10:36,050 --> 01:10:34,560
um you know so sure hundreds of

1611
01:10:38,209 --> 01:10:36,060
thousands of people are going through

1612
01:10:40,669 --> 01:10:38,219
there every day but you know they're

1613
01:10:43,370 --> 01:10:40,679
sticking to the the terminals you know

1614
01:10:45,590 --> 01:10:43,380
if if it's not happening inside of the

1615
01:10:47,570 --> 01:10:45,600
airport or on a Runway

1616
01:10:49,550 --> 01:10:47,580
um they would never see it and you know

1617
01:10:50,990 --> 01:10:49,560
speaking uh about Rest Haven

1618
01:10:53,390 --> 01:10:51,000
specifically

1619
01:10:56,149 --> 01:10:53,400
um it is a weird isolated little uh

1620
01:10:58,490 --> 01:10:56,159
Cemetery back in you know and I I've

1621
01:10:59,990 --> 01:10:58,500
I've been there myself more than once

1622
01:11:01,970 --> 01:11:00,000
and um

1623
01:11:04,430 --> 01:11:01,980
you know it's Gotta it's got a real

1624
01:11:06,290 --> 01:11:04,440
unusual vibe to it

1625
01:11:09,890 --> 01:11:06,300
um and I know we've we've talked about

1626
01:11:12,709 --> 01:11:09,900
this before too in terms of uh there

1627
01:11:15,830 --> 01:11:12,719
being some unusual quality just to to

1628
01:11:17,810 --> 01:11:15,840
that specific area and um and and I

1629
01:11:20,270 --> 01:11:17,820
believe in our previous conversations we

1630
01:11:23,570 --> 01:11:20,280
we sort of related it to how you'll hear

1631
01:11:25,610 --> 01:11:23,580
about people uh uh having more

1632
01:11:27,709 --> 01:11:25,620
paranormal uh phenomena in their house

1633
01:11:29,990 --> 01:11:27,719
during construction right so like they

1634
01:11:32,090 --> 01:11:30,000
they live in a house uh where they they

1635
01:11:33,530 --> 01:11:32,100
think it might be haunted and then uh

1636
01:11:35,930 --> 01:11:33,540
they're they're having construction done

1637
01:11:39,110 --> 01:11:35,940
or or something similar and all of a

1638
01:11:41,990 --> 01:11:39,120
sudden that activity it it is heightened

1639
01:11:44,750 --> 01:11:42,000
you know it's it's happening with uh uh

1640
01:11:46,790 --> 01:11:44,760
uh more and more frequency and uh and

1641
01:11:49,189 --> 01:11:46,800
and things seem to to ramp up and so

1642
01:11:51,890 --> 01:11:49,199
yeah I mean you have to wonder if there

1643
01:11:53,750 --> 01:11:51,900
is some you know Geographic connection

1644
01:11:56,750 --> 01:11:53,760
if there is something about that

1645
01:11:59,390 --> 01:11:56,760
particular space if uh all of this

1646
01:12:00,890 --> 01:11:59,400
recent construction might somehow be

1647
01:12:01,490 --> 01:12:00,900
relay

1648
01:12:03,470 --> 01:12:01,500
um

1649
01:12:04,850 --> 01:12:03,480
the one thing that I I will say about

1650
01:12:06,830 --> 01:12:04,860
that though

1651
01:12:10,130 --> 01:12:06,840
is

1652
01:12:14,810 --> 01:12:10,140
um it's difficult I think to really show

1653
01:12:18,470 --> 01:12:14,820
even a a strong correlation only because

1654
01:12:21,550 --> 01:12:18,480
um when compared to uh other numbers

1655
01:12:25,189 --> 01:12:21,560
right so if if you look at like say the

1656
01:12:28,310 --> 01:12:25,199
2017-2018 stuff right there were a lot

1657
01:12:30,890 --> 01:12:28,320
more sightings and and now uh regardless

1658
01:12:32,750 --> 01:12:30,900
you know we're we're getting a handful

1659
01:12:35,090 --> 01:12:32,760
every year

1660
01:12:37,669 --> 01:12:35,100
um but it's not it's not increasing in

1661
01:12:39,470 --> 01:12:37,679
in fact uh sightings seem to be going

1662
01:12:42,470 --> 01:12:39,480
down

1663
01:12:46,370 --> 01:12:42,480
um and so that makes me wonder you know

1664
01:12:48,410 --> 01:12:46,380
if there is actually any any connection

1665
01:12:50,630 --> 01:12:48,420
um and and uh if there is what it what

1666
01:12:54,470 --> 01:12:50,640
it might actually mean because I would

1667
01:12:57,050 --> 01:12:54,480
expect then um to be uh receiving many

1668
01:13:00,110 --> 01:12:57,060
many more sightings rather than than

1669
01:13:02,149 --> 01:13:00,120
having them um you know sort of of go

1670
01:13:03,169 --> 01:13:02,159
down in unless there was you know sort

1671
01:13:07,490 --> 01:13:03,179
of

1672
01:13:09,709 --> 01:13:07,500
um some initial uh uh you know onset you

1673
01:13:11,930 --> 01:13:09,719
know some some uh like something that's

1674
01:13:13,669 --> 01:13:11,940
just sort of kicked it off and then you

1675
01:13:15,410 --> 01:13:13,679
know there was a huge Spike and then it

1676
01:13:17,689 --> 01:13:15,420
caught it it just sort of went down

1677
01:13:19,790 --> 01:13:17,699
after that but uh but yeah I don't know

1678
01:13:21,830 --> 01:13:19,800
it's it's it's it's interesting to to

1679
01:13:24,110 --> 01:13:21,840
think about and it is a very unusual

1680
01:13:25,850 --> 01:13:24,120
sort of storied area yeah it's it's

1681
01:13:26,870 --> 01:13:25,860
something I never really thought about

1682
01:13:29,750 --> 01:13:26,880
but

1683
01:13:33,470 --> 01:13:29,760
you know of course we hear people talk

1684
01:13:35,570 --> 01:13:33,480
about O'Hare and um the ghost sightings

1685
01:13:38,689 --> 01:13:35,580
people talk about I I've talked to

1686
01:13:40,010 --> 01:13:38,699
employees at O'Hare in the past

1687
01:13:42,169 --> 01:13:40,020
um

1688
01:13:44,630 --> 01:13:42,179
ghost sightings into Terminals and other

1689
01:13:46,130 --> 01:13:44,640
areas someone had mentioned at the crash

1690
01:13:47,390 --> 01:13:46,140
site there have been ghost sightings

1691
01:13:50,990 --> 01:13:47,400
there

1692
01:13:52,490 --> 01:13:51,000
that area who knows what could pop up

1693
01:13:55,550 --> 01:13:52,500
you know but you know you mentioned

1694
01:13:56,270 --> 01:13:55,560
something to boss about

1695
01:13:58,130 --> 01:13:56,280
um

1696
01:13:59,630 --> 01:13:58,140
you know the sightings seemed to be

1697
01:14:01,550 --> 01:13:59,640
slowing down well you know we've had

1698
01:14:04,070 --> 01:14:01,560
these Wayne period winning periods

1699
01:14:05,750 --> 01:14:04,080
before and then all of a sudden it just

1700
01:14:07,490 --> 01:14:05,760
it hits it you know we just start

1701
01:14:10,630 --> 01:14:07,500
getting a whole bunch of sightings

1702
01:14:14,630 --> 01:14:10,640
uh maybe not as much as we did in in in

1703
01:14:20,570 --> 01:14:14,640
18 in 2017 and 2018

1704
01:14:22,310 --> 01:14:20,580
uh but uh yeah I mean who knows I mean I

1705
01:14:24,169 --> 01:14:22,320
I personally believe this is something

1706
01:14:25,669 --> 01:14:24,179
we're still going to be dealing with for

1707
01:14:27,890 --> 01:14:25,679
a long time

1708
01:14:29,630 --> 01:14:27,900
I don't think there's really any end to

1709
01:14:31,370 --> 01:14:29,640
it and you know I would this thing

1710
01:14:35,090 --> 01:14:31,380
manifest into something bigger

1711
01:14:39,950 --> 01:14:37,189
I agree

1712
01:14:42,709 --> 01:14:39,960
um I mean think about think about how

1713
01:14:44,870 --> 01:14:42,719
some of these places have had trauma

1714
01:14:46,370 --> 01:14:44,880
so much trauma and that it's actually

1715
01:14:49,130 --> 01:14:46,380
scarred the land

1716
01:14:50,810 --> 01:14:49,140
um when they put in uh some kind of

1717
01:14:53,270 --> 01:14:50,820
construction or something it's really

1718
01:14:55,390 --> 01:14:53,280
caused all sorts of activity breakup um

1719
01:14:58,430 --> 01:14:55,400
I read um

1720
01:15:00,530 --> 01:14:58,440
article not too long ago about um

1721
01:15:02,630 --> 01:15:00,540
talking about like Battlegrounds kind of

1722
01:15:04,610 --> 01:15:02,640
like near you along where you have

1723
01:15:06,950 --> 01:15:04,620
Gettysburg I mean when they're in the

1724
01:15:08,870 --> 01:15:06,960
visitor center or the road I mean I'm

1725
01:15:11,630 --> 01:15:08,880
sure they were probably seeing all sorts

1726
01:15:15,229 --> 01:15:11,640
of activity ramping up because that

1727
01:15:18,649 --> 01:15:15,239
lands even to this day in 2023 is what

1728
01:15:20,990 --> 01:15:18,659
about 150 200 years from the battle it

1729
01:15:23,930 --> 01:15:21,000
still Bears the scars of that land oh

1730
01:15:27,649 --> 01:15:23,940
absolutely I mean David David uh they've

1731
01:15:31,070 --> 01:15:27,659
been uh refurbishing the uh little round

1732
01:15:32,270 --> 01:15:31,080
top Devil's then area now for about 18

1733
01:15:34,189 --> 01:15:32,280
months

1734
01:15:35,450 --> 01:15:34,199
we still got a little bit going to do

1735
01:15:38,090 --> 01:15:35,460
yet but

1736
01:15:41,390 --> 01:15:38,100
I I did run into and I mentioned this on

1737
01:15:44,450 --> 01:15:41,400
the show before I I did run into a

1738
01:15:46,790 --> 01:15:44,460
construction worker or a worker that was

1739
01:15:49,910 --> 01:15:46,800
been up on the little round top

1740
01:15:53,870 --> 01:15:49,920
at one of the um at the actual Museum

1741
01:15:55,370 --> 01:15:53,880
there in it's um I don't know it's it's

1742
01:15:57,890 --> 01:15:55,380
uh

1743
01:15:59,630 --> 01:15:57,900
it's an artifact Museum basically but

1744
01:16:00,890 --> 01:15:59,640
the guy who runs it actually sells

1745
01:16:03,470 --> 01:16:00,900
artifacts

1746
01:16:05,390 --> 01:16:03,480
but he was in there and I you know I

1747
01:16:07,070 --> 01:16:05,400
heard him talking to the guy who in the

1748
01:16:09,169 --> 01:16:07,080
store mentioning that he he's been

1749
01:16:11,149 --> 01:16:09,179
working up you know on the refurbishing

1750
01:16:13,310 --> 01:16:11,159
of a little round top and he and I got

1751
01:16:15,410 --> 01:16:13,320
to talking about it and he was telling

1752
01:16:17,149 --> 01:16:15,420
me they he he comes in there in the

1753
01:16:20,510 --> 01:16:17,159
morning sometimes

1754
01:16:21,770 --> 01:16:20,520
and uh stuff's being moved Boulders are

1755
01:16:26,570 --> 01:16:21,780
being moved

1756
01:16:28,430 --> 01:16:26,580
things change uh they'll be there

1757
01:16:31,189 --> 01:16:28,440
working in some a boulder will start

1758
01:16:34,070 --> 01:16:31,199
running down the hill all of a sudden

1759
01:16:35,510 --> 01:16:34,080
it's just there has been a lot of

1760
01:16:36,770 --> 01:16:35,520
activity since they've been up there

1761
01:16:37,850 --> 01:16:36,780
working on it

1762
01:16:39,709 --> 01:16:37,860
so

1763
01:16:40,970 --> 01:16:39,719
yeah

1764
01:16:42,590 --> 01:16:40,980
who knows

1765
01:16:44,689 --> 01:16:42,600
right uh

1766
01:16:47,030 --> 01:16:44,699
go ahead oh sorry I was just going to

1767
01:16:51,290 --> 01:16:47,040
say too I I think if if you look at the

1768
01:16:54,169 --> 01:16:51,300
the totality of the sightings you know

1769
01:16:55,610 --> 01:16:54,179
throughout uh time at this point you

1770
01:16:57,590 --> 01:16:55,620
know the earliest sighting that I've

1771
01:17:01,910 --> 01:16:57,600
I've received of a winged humanoid in

1772
01:17:04,850 --> 01:17:01,920
that area uh is from 1957. uh in

1773
01:17:07,189 --> 01:17:04,860
Braidwood Illinois now that is somewhat

1774
01:17:09,050 --> 01:17:07,199
south of of Chicago but my focus has

1775
01:17:10,729 --> 01:17:09,060
always been on everything surrounding

1776
01:17:13,130 --> 01:17:10,739
Lake Michigan because it's it's never

1777
01:17:14,990 --> 01:17:13,140
been just Chicago right

1778
01:17:18,370 --> 01:17:15,000
um and and when you look at that you

1779
01:17:22,610 --> 01:17:18,380
know we have sightings from uh 1957 uh

1780
01:17:25,370 --> 01:17:22,620
1969 in Indiana with Floyd Hancock uh

1781
01:17:27,590 --> 01:17:25,380
1971 David Ramos

1782
01:17:29,209 --> 01:17:27,600
um at the the North Branch of of the the

1783
01:17:30,950 --> 01:17:29,219
Chicago River

1784
01:17:33,290 --> 01:17:30,960
um you know they're they're relatively

1785
01:17:36,590 --> 01:17:33,300
spread out and and they go back a very

1786
01:17:40,070 --> 01:17:36,600
long time and there's nothing to

1787
01:17:44,090 --> 01:17:40,080
associate them with any

1788
01:17:47,930 --> 01:17:44,100
like anything happening today uh other

1789
01:17:49,669 --> 01:17:47,940
than the the phenomenon itself right

1790
01:17:52,850 --> 01:17:49,679
like there was uh there was no

1791
01:17:57,470 --> 01:17:52,860
construction necessarily happening uh to

1792
01:18:00,470 --> 01:17:57,480
tie uh Braidwood to O'Hare right but the

1793
01:18:03,229 --> 01:18:00,480
uh description given by the the uh

1794
01:18:06,290 --> 01:18:03,239
witness Gerald is similar to what people

1795
01:18:09,649 --> 01:18:06,300
are still reporting today and so I think

1796
01:18:12,830 --> 01:18:09,659
that when it comes to trying to to look

1797
01:18:15,830 --> 01:18:12,840
for uh for explanations that that sort

1798
01:18:18,290 --> 01:18:15,840
of depend on uh generalities you know

1799
01:18:21,350 --> 01:18:18,300
like location right

1800
01:18:23,870 --> 01:18:21,360
um we need to look at

1801
01:18:27,470 --> 01:18:23,880
um the overall Trends rather than than

1802
01:18:29,390 --> 01:18:27,480
trying to just uh focus on on one

1803
01:18:30,890 --> 01:18:29,400
limited space right

1804
01:18:32,649 --> 01:18:30,900
um which is I know is frustrating

1805
01:18:36,649 --> 01:18:32,659
because it makes everything even more

1806
01:18:38,390 --> 01:18:36,659
mysterious than it it it already was but

1807
01:18:40,970 --> 01:18:38,400
um we also don't want to throw the baby

1808
01:18:42,470 --> 01:18:40,980
out with the uh the bathwater here and

1809
01:18:44,630 --> 01:18:42,480
sort of forget about some of the other

1810
01:18:46,610 --> 01:18:44,640
really interesting sightings that that

1811
01:18:48,890 --> 01:18:46,620
we have just because they don't

1812
01:18:50,630 --> 01:18:48,900
necessarily fit into any preconceived

1813
01:18:52,970 --> 01:18:50,640
notion right

1814
01:18:55,790 --> 01:18:52,980
well think of the of all the sightings

1815
01:18:58,370 --> 01:18:55,800
that have been in this area even up by

1816
01:18:59,750 --> 01:18:58,380
you Tobias with um dating back to the

1817
01:19:01,970 --> 01:18:59,760
Native Americans the Thunderbird

1818
01:19:03,950 --> 01:19:01,980
sightings you know that have been

1819
01:19:07,010 --> 01:19:03,960
reported these things have been going on

1820
01:19:08,510 --> 01:19:07,020
for hundreds of years I mean he only

1821
01:19:10,610 --> 01:19:08,520
imagined if you could talk to somebody

1822
01:19:13,250 --> 01:19:10,620
from back in how many sightings he'd

1823
01:19:16,490 --> 01:19:13,260
probably give you right

1824
01:19:18,830 --> 01:19:16,500
yeah I mean the indigenous people did

1825
01:19:21,830 --> 01:19:18,840
there has been

1826
01:19:23,510 --> 01:19:21,840
a lot of different uh Wing being

1827
01:19:24,830 --> 01:19:23,520
sightings I mean you know there's no

1828
01:19:26,750 --> 01:19:24,840
doubt about that

1829
01:19:29,209 --> 01:19:26,760
uh

1830
01:19:31,450 --> 01:19:29,219
you know that whole Upper Midwest area

1831
01:19:34,910 --> 01:19:31,460
is well known for Wing beings

1832
01:19:36,770 --> 01:19:34,920
unexplained we mean large Thunderbirds

1833
01:19:38,689 --> 01:19:36,780
pterosaur we're getting to pterosaur

1834
01:19:39,890 --> 01:19:38,699
sightings lifting right here here and

1835
01:19:42,350 --> 01:19:39,900
there

1836
01:19:43,610 --> 01:19:42,360
um and George Morgan had any sightings

1837
01:19:46,970 --> 01:19:43,620
in Europe

1838
01:19:48,130 --> 01:19:46,980
you know we get very few I mean I have

1839
01:19:52,010 --> 01:19:48,140
had a few

1840
01:19:54,530 --> 01:19:52,020
uh I had a couple in London along the

1841
01:19:56,169 --> 01:19:54,540
Thames but nothing

1842
01:20:00,229 --> 01:19:56,179
really

1843
01:20:03,590 --> 01:20:00,239
significant as far as going into Europe

1844
01:20:06,410 --> 01:20:03,600
uh you know this is that this is kind of

1845
01:20:08,149 --> 01:20:06,420
off subject but you know with this war

1846
01:20:10,550 --> 01:20:08,159
going on

1847
01:20:12,590 --> 01:20:10,560
in your current Ukraine

1848
01:20:15,350 --> 01:20:12,600
I'm kind of surprised we haven't gotten

1849
01:20:16,729 --> 01:20:15,360
more sightings of phenomena because of

1850
01:20:19,430 --> 01:20:16,739
that too you know

1851
01:20:21,410 --> 01:20:19,440
uh maybe we will eventually but you know

1852
01:20:23,149 --> 01:20:21,420
during World War II there was a lot of

1853
01:20:26,090 --> 01:20:23,159
settings of course the Foo Fighters and

1854
01:20:28,850 --> 01:20:26,100
a lot of weird stuff uh

1855
01:20:30,950 --> 01:20:28,860
on battlefields even in World War One

1856
01:20:33,050 --> 01:20:30,960
um but

1857
01:20:35,030 --> 01:20:33,060
we're not hearing a whole lot coming out

1858
01:20:38,209 --> 01:20:35,040
of uh Ukraine

1859
01:20:41,750 --> 01:20:38,219
there have been a handful of of

1860
01:20:44,810 --> 01:20:41,760
interesting UFO reports but you know I I

1861
01:20:46,729 --> 01:20:44,820
would suspect like in in any active

1862
01:20:49,550 --> 01:20:46,739
conflict area like even even World War

1863
01:20:52,010 --> 01:20:49,560
II it wasn't until after the actual war

1864
01:20:54,890 --> 01:20:52,020
that exactly that people started talking

1865
01:20:57,709 --> 01:20:54,900
about uh Foo Fighters publicly and so

1866
01:20:59,450 --> 01:20:57,719
who knows um you know not to distract

1867
01:21:00,890 --> 01:20:59,460
from the actual issue of course because

1868
01:21:02,990 --> 01:21:00,900
there are a lot of people suffering in

1869
01:21:05,990 --> 01:21:03,000
that area right now and that that needs

1870
01:21:08,030 --> 01:21:06,000
to be our our Focus but yeah I mean

1871
01:21:11,290 --> 01:21:08,040
who's who's to say that um you know

1872
01:21:13,729 --> 01:21:11,300
after the the conflict itself is

1873
01:21:17,270 --> 01:21:13,739
resolved that uh that that there won't

1874
01:21:20,090 --> 01:21:17,280
be more uh reports coming from from

1875
01:21:22,850 --> 01:21:20,100
people who were uh in that uh area who

1876
01:21:24,770 --> 01:21:22,860
had seen you know something like a a UFO

1877
01:21:28,370 --> 01:21:24,780
or

1878
01:21:29,810 --> 01:21:28,380
yeah you're right I mean you know it may

1879
01:21:34,189 --> 01:21:29,820
eventually

1880
01:21:36,410 --> 01:21:34,199
mean you talk about Ukraine I mean you

1881
01:21:38,270 --> 01:21:36,420
gotta think about the fact that you have

1882
01:21:40,910 --> 01:21:38,280
um you know the Blackbird of each of

1883
01:21:42,770 --> 01:21:40,920
Chernobyl multiple sightings for Florida

1884
01:21:45,530 --> 01:21:42,780
Chernobyl accident

1885
01:21:48,010 --> 01:21:45,540
seeing their um Europe and that's your

1886
01:21:49,729 --> 01:21:48,020
only that's really the only

1887
01:21:52,850 --> 01:21:49,739
harbinger

1888
01:21:56,630 --> 01:21:52,860
related type of winged human Wing being

1889
01:21:58,430 --> 01:21:56,640
sighting that that can actually be you

1890
01:22:01,250 --> 01:21:58,440
know have some evidence because it was

1891
01:22:03,950 --> 01:22:01,260
reported before that uh everything else

1892
01:22:07,990 --> 01:22:03,960
has kind of been after the fact even

1893
01:22:14,510 --> 01:22:11,510
yeah Fukushima yeah you know you've had

1894
01:22:16,370 --> 01:22:14,520
all those uh the sighting at 9 11 guitar

1895
01:22:18,410 --> 01:22:16,380
sighting at the in Minneapolis during

1896
01:22:22,970 --> 01:22:18,420
the bridge collapse all those have been

1897
01:22:25,189 --> 01:22:22,980
after the facts uh I believe the the um

1898
01:22:26,810 --> 01:22:25,199
the sighting of the um

1899
01:22:29,390 --> 01:22:26,820
of the Blackberry Chernobyl was

1900
01:22:32,390 --> 01:22:29,400
happening what a year or so before

1901
01:22:35,630 --> 01:22:32,400
the uh the actual event it was it may

1902
01:22:39,470 --> 01:22:35,640
have been I I the the witnesses the

1903
01:22:44,209 --> 01:22:41,689
and of course that was Soviet at the

1904
01:22:46,970 --> 01:22:44,219
time so you you're only going to get so

1905
01:22:49,550 --> 01:22:46,980
much out of it but probably up to three

1906
01:22:52,250 --> 01:22:49,560
weeks previous to the accident and of

1907
01:22:56,270 --> 01:22:52,260
course you know the Soviets were pretty

1908
01:22:58,130 --> 01:22:56,280
tight-lipped about Chernobyl anyway uh

1909
01:23:00,950 --> 01:22:58,140
they weren't putting a whole lot out and

1910
01:23:02,990 --> 01:23:00,960
that whole story

1911
01:23:06,890 --> 01:23:03,000
you know that didn't really get out

1912
01:23:09,470 --> 01:23:06,900
until later as well so um but apparently

1913
01:23:13,610 --> 01:23:09,480
there were actual reports that were

1914
01:23:15,050 --> 01:23:13,620
either filed with the um the town that

1915
01:23:18,590 --> 01:23:15,060
was near there whatever the name of that

1916
01:23:20,330 --> 01:23:18,600
town was or or at the plant yeah yeah

1917
01:23:23,510 --> 01:23:20,340
they were even citing Sarah and pretty

1918
01:23:26,510 --> 01:23:23,520
yet I mean of this thing before the

1919
01:23:28,910 --> 01:23:26,520
event but you know yeah Europe you also

1920
01:23:30,350 --> 01:23:28,920
have things like you know the the almana

1921
01:23:32,450 --> 01:23:30,360
Cornwall

1922
01:23:35,450 --> 01:23:32,460
um those have been sightings there's

1923
01:23:37,490 --> 01:23:35,460
some in Germany uh but they're not as

1924
01:23:40,070 --> 01:23:37,500
not as numerous as what you see here in

1925
01:23:42,649 --> 01:23:40,080
the United States and North America

1926
01:23:45,290 --> 01:23:42,659
you know cryptids in general are just

1927
01:23:46,850 --> 01:23:45,300
you know you you think about crypties

1928
01:23:48,830 --> 01:23:46,860
you think about North America you don't

1929
01:23:50,630 --> 01:23:48,840
really think about of course you know

1930
01:23:52,790 --> 01:23:50,640
Great Britain has had a lot of different

1931
01:23:55,850 --> 01:23:52,800
sightings but when you're talking about

1932
01:23:59,209 --> 01:23:55,860
in in Europe in Asia all together and

1933
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you know it doesn't really hold a hold a

1934
01:24:05,209 --> 01:24:01,080
match to what you know with the United

1935
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States in in North America Canada

1936
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um but

1937
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I don't know maybe maybe us people here

1938
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in North America

1939
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just get better imaginations I don't

1940
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know I don't know what to think about

1941
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that

1942
01:24:24,229 --> 01:24:20,699
well I think we're pretty well out of

1943
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questions now so guys why don't you uh

1944
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you know if you have anything else to

1945
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add at the end here uh go ahead and do

1946
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so now go ahead uh Manuel

1947
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oh I mean UFO Clearinghouse is still up

1948
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and running

1949
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um I've had to take some time to uh

1950
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to actually slow down and I'm building

1951
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paranormal one which is it's going to be

1952
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the new iteration but

1953
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uh between work and family it's been a

1954
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little kind of put on the back burners

1955
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but you can still find it at

1956
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ufoclearinghouse.com

1957
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um I also have the Facebook site the

1958
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Twitter site

1959
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um so yeah I mean we post um as often as

1960
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we can

1961
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um and we do still take um you know

1962
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sightings UFO sightings we still take

1963
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abduction sightings and we still take uh

1964
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you know cryptic sightings as well

1965
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and Tobias

1966
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oh sure so if you're interested in

1967
01:25:18,350 --> 01:25:16,980
keeping up with what I'm doing of course

1968
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you can find me through the singular

1969
01:25:23,750 --> 01:25:21,060
Korean Society uh the website for that

1970
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is singular4n.com or otherwise follow

1971
01:25:27,830 --> 01:25:26,040
the singular 40 in society on social

1972
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media I believe we're represented

1973
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basically on any social media platform

1974
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that you can think of and it's always

1975
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going to be at singular 40 and I do have

1976
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a couple of appearances coming up later

1977
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this year that should be uh pretty

1978
01:25:44,390 --> 01:25:42,480
interesting I'll be at the the Great

1979
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Lakes paranormal conference in Glenwood

1980
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Glen Beulah Wisconsin in September and

1981
01:25:53,330 --> 01:25:50,340
then I will also be speaking at strange

1982
01:25:55,310 --> 01:25:53,340
realities in Nashville Tennessee and

1983
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that will be in early November so

1984
01:25:58,790 --> 01:25:57,360
definitely check those out if you get a

1985
01:26:01,070 --> 01:25:58,800
chance

1986
01:26:03,950 --> 01:26:01,080
well very good and guys thanks for

1987
01:26:05,870 --> 01:26:03,960
coming on tonight joining me uh and

1988
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catching up on these sightings and

1989
01:26:10,250 --> 01:26:08,760
reports uh folks we're gonna have more

1990
01:26:10,910 --> 01:26:10,260
coming believe me

1991
01:26:12,709 --> 01:26:10,920
um

1992
01:26:14,209 --> 01:26:12,719
there's there are some irons in the fire

1993
01:26:15,950 --> 01:26:14,219
and we'll

1994
01:26:18,590 --> 01:26:15,960
we will definitely be coming up with

1995
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some more information

1996
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and uh and of course this this Friday

1997
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night

1998
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um on the the Chicago Mothman O'Hara

1999
01:26:32,629 --> 01:26:29,520
Mothman we're here a Batman series

2000
01:26:34,550 --> 01:26:32,639
uh I'm gonna be I'm gonna start talking

2001
01:26:36,770 --> 01:26:34,560
about some of the sightings and how they

2002
01:26:40,610 --> 01:26:36,780
started uh

2003
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happening and being reported out of hair

2004
01:26:46,070 --> 01:26:43,260
so I'll probably do at least one or two

2005
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more of those before that ends and then

2006
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we'll go into some regular uh

2007
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personal reports

2008
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so uh guys I I appreciate you coming on

2009
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tonight and uh again we'll be talking

2010
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with the folks soon uh and catching up

2011
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on these uh reports

2012
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no problem thank you for having me yeah

2013
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thank you always okay I'll see you all

2014
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so folks uh thanks you know thanks each

2015
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of all you coming on and chatting and

2016
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watching tonight

2017
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um

2018
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I wanted to get this in before some some

2019
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other things happen in the next several

2020
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weeks

2021
01:27:35,570 --> 01:27:33,600
and uh of course I you know you do have

2022
01:27:37,129 --> 01:27:35,580
been following me with the uh the

2023
01:27:38,990 --> 01:27:37,139
personal reports when I've been talking

2024
01:27:41,530 --> 01:27:39,000
about what's been going on in around

2025
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Chicago with these sightings

2026
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so uh but again if uh you have a citing

2027
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or encounter report

2028
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that you'd like to be considered for the

2029
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personal report show or even fans of

2030
01:27:53,810 --> 01:27:52,739
monsters feel free to forward to my

2031
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email

2032
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so uh please like subscribe and share

2033
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and until we meet again stay healthy

2034
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thank you